Bejeweled Demo

When I bought my V551, it came with a demo of the game Bejeweled.
Unfortunately, since the firmware that I flashed my phone with didn't
include the game, it was lost after the upgrade.

If it's not too much trouble, if someone reading this group still has
the demo version of the game on your phone, could you pull a copy off
your phone, zip it up and email it to me?

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In <[email protected]> on 7 Oct 2005
10:32:19 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>When I bought my V551, it came with a demo of the game Bejeweled.
>Unfortunately, since the firmware that I flashed my phone with didn't
>include the game, it was lost after the upgrade.
>
>If it's not too much trouble, if someone reading this group still has
>the demo version of the game on your phone, could you pull a copy off
>your phone, zip it up and email it to me?

That would presumably violate the copyright.
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Would it? Even if it's a demo version of the game, not the full
version, which originally came with my phone in the first place? I
think a case could be made for reasonable use under the circumstances.
All I want to do is replace what was originally lost.

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In <[email protected]> on 7 Oct 2005
11:17:23 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

>Would it? Even if it's a demo version of the game, not the full
>version, which originally came with my phone in the first place? I
>think a case could be made for reasonable use under the circumstances.
>All I want to do is replace what was originally lost.

How do we know that?

The proper thing to do is to contact the copyright holder, in this case the
game publisher, and ask for a copy of the demo.
<http://www.jamdat.com/JamdatWeb/Catalog/US/en/game/mobile/ProductDetailOverviewView/product-39>
or <http://tinyurl.com/5hzff>
Or simply buy it -- Yahoo! has it for under $3:
<http://mobile.yahoo.com/fungames/appdl/product?pid=a208>

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> How do we know that?

Well... I'll grant you that all you have to go on is my word.

Look at it this way... If I was looking to break copyright or something
like that, why would I ask for a demo version of a piece of software, when I
could go to a warez group and request a complete, registered one.

In fact, you could argue that my request for the demo is indicative of my
intention of going through official channels and purchasing the game once
it's on my phone, and that having the demo would ensure that the proper
version gets installed when I select the "Buy this game" option within the
game itself.

Of course, this could all be part of an elaborate scheme to scam Jamdat out
of a sale, but why would I bother going through the trouble?

It was just a request. Do what you will with it. I could always go to
Rogers Wireless and get them to reflash the phone with a branded copy of the
firmware then try to eliminate the branding myself.

But since all I want is the game, that would be even more trouble, and would
likely cost me around $30 for their time.

I hope this adequately explains my motives and intentions...

Have a good day.

> Look at it this way... If I was looking to break copyright or something
> like that, why would I ask for a demo version of a piece of software, when I
> could go to a warez group and request a complete, registered one.

I`m with you on this, I think the initial respondant had his head too
far up his own ass.

If I had it, i`d have been happy to send it to you - that`s what demos
are for - the publishers WANT it to be distributed and played to
encourage sales.

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
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>
> In <[email protected]> on 7 Oct 2005
> 11:17:23 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >Would it? Even if it's a demo version of the game, not the full
> >version, which originally came with my phone in the first place? I
> >think a case could be made for reasonable use under the circumstances.
> >All I want to do is replace what was originally lost.
>
> How do we know that?
>
> The proper thing to do is to contact the copyright holder, in this case
the
> game publisher, and ask for a copy of the demo.
>
<http://www.jamdat.com/JamdatWeb/Cata...ductDetailOver
viewView/product-39>
> or <http://tinyurl.com/5hzff>
> Or simply buy it -- Yahoo! has it for under $3:
> <http://mobile.yahoo.com/fungames/appdl/product?pid=a208>
>
> --
> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

Self righteous mode again is it John? ;-)

To the OP, just go to any cellphone forum and do a search, you will either
find it, or a link to it and more games, in someones signature or on the
site itself. Or just try a different V551 flex file, one that includes
games, ask where you got it if the flex has games, or read the description
if it has one.

"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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| In <[email protected]> on 7 Oct 2005
| 10:32:19 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
|
| >When I bought my V551, it came with a demo of the game Bejeweled.
| >Unfortunately, since the firmware that I flashed my phone with didn't
| >include the game, it was lost after the upgrade.
| >
| >If it's not too much trouble, if someone reading this group still has
| >the demo version of the game on your phone, could you pull a copy off
| >your phone, zip it up and email it to me?
|
| That would presumably violate the copyright.
| --
| Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
| John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <[email protected]> on Sat, 8 Oct 2005 07:18:25
-0400, "CJD" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Self righteous mode again is it John? ;-)

Call it whatever you want, but I'd call it honest/integrity mode.

>To the OP, just go to any cellphone forum and do a search, you will either
>find it, or a link to it and more games, in someones signature or on the
>site itself. Or just try a different V551 flex file, one that includes
>games, ask where you got it if the flex has games, or read the description
>if it has one.

Or simply steal a V551 from a dealer.

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>|
>| In <[email protected]> on 7 Oct 2005
>| 10:32:19 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>|
>| >When I bought my V551, it came with a demo of the game Bejeweled.
>| >Unfortunately, since the firmware that I flashed my phone with didn't
>| >include the game, it was lost after the upgrade.
>| >
>| >If it's not too much trouble, if someone reading this group still has
>| >the demo version of the game on your phone, could you pull a copy off
>| >your phone, zip it up and email it to me?
>|
>| That would presumably violate the copyright.

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John I usually side with you on these issues but isn't a demo version
just that - a demo? The purpose is to get people hooked and pay for the
full version. I really don't think they'd mind, particularly when he
could just reflex and get it as part of the flex. After all, he could
have requested the full version but didn't.

From:John Navas
[email protected]

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>
> In <[email protected]> on Sat, 8 Oct 2005
> 07:18:25 -0400, "CJD" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Self righteous mode again is it John? ;-)
>
> Call it whatever you want, but I'd call it honest/integrity mode.
>
>> To the OP, just go to any cellphone forum and do a search, you will
>> either find it, or a link to it and more games, in someones
>> signature or on the site itself. Or just try a different V551 flex
>> file, one that includes games, ask where you got it if the flex has
>> games, or read the description if it has one.
>
> Or simply steal a V551 from a dealer.
>
>> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
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>>>
>>> In <[email protected]> on 7 Oct
>>> 2005 10:32:19 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I bought my V551, it came with a demo of the game Bejeweled.
>>>> Unfortunately, since the firmware that I flashed my phone with
>>>> didn't include the game, it was lost after the upgrade.
>>>>
>>>> If it's not too much trouble, if someone reading this group still
>>>> has the demo version of the game on your phone, could you pull a
>>>> copy off your phone, zip it up and email it to me?
>>>
>>> That would presumably violate the copyright.
>
> --
> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

As I wrote, it's a simple matter to request a copy of the demo version from
the copyright holder. It the copyright holder really doesn't mind, then it
will presumably provide it. The point is that even the demo is copyrighted,
and that the copyright holder might well have reasons to restrict distribution
of the demo. For example, the demo might have been produced under an
exclusive arrangement with the hardware manufacturer that might have now
expired.

In <%zO1f.1684$B%[email protected]> on Sat, 08 Oct 2005 12:03:07
GMT, "BruceR" <[email protected]> wrote:

>John I usually side with you on these issues but isn't a demo version
>just that - a demo? The purpose is to get people hooked and pay for the
>full version. I really don't think they'd mind, particularly when he
>could just reflex and get it as part of the flex. After all, he could
>have requested the full version but didn't.
>
>From:John Navas
>[email protected]
>
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>>
>> In <[email protected]> on Sat, 8 Oct 2005
>> 07:18:25 -0400, "CJD" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Self righteous mode again is it John? ;-)
>>
>> Call it whatever you want, but I'd call it honest/integrity mode.
>>
>>> To the OP, just go to any cellphone forum and do a search, you will
>>> either find it, or a link to it and more games, in someones
>>> signature or on the site itself. Or just try a different V551 flex
>>> file, one that includes games, ask where you got it if the flex has
>>> games, or read the description if it has one.
>>
>> Or simply steal a V551 from a dealer.
>>
>>> "John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> In <[email protected]> on 7 Oct
>>>> 2005 10:32:19 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When I bought my V551, it came with a demo of the game Bejeweled.
>>>>> Unfortunately, since the firmware that I flashed my phone with
>>>>> didn't include the game, it was lost after the upgrade.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it's not too much trouble, if someone reading this group still
>>>>> has the demo version of the game on your phone, could you pull a
>>>>> copy off your phone, zip it up and email it to me?
>>>>
>>>> That would presumably violate the copyright.

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"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> and that the copyright holder might well have reasons to restrict
> distribution
> of the demo. For example, the demo might have been produced under an
> exclusive arrangement with the hardware manufacturer that might have now
> expired.

Let's say that what you're saying is true for just a second, and the demo
was released under exclusive arrangement with the hardware manufacturer.
Guess what? I have the hardware for which it was (hypothetically)
produced, and through experimentation, erased the game. My options are to
either go to Rogers Wireless, pay them $35 to reflash my phone with the
firmware that originally came with the phone, which would severely limit my
use of the phone since that firmware is Rogers specific, and I don't use
their service, or I could ask a kind person with the *same* *phone* to send
me a copy of the demo (not the registered copy of the software, as that'd be
wrong). Since it costs $5.00 US to register Bejeweled with Jamdat, it'd be
somewhat insane to spend $35 to get the demo, since it came with the bloody
phone in the first place.

Now... Seeing as the game is available for a few dozen phone models, plus
two PDA operating systems, both in demo and registered forms, your argument
of exclusivity holds no water.

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In <[email protected]> on Sat, 8 Oct 2005 11:25:42
-0400, "Paul Fedorenko" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> and that the copyright holder might well have reasons to restrict
>> distribution
>> of the demo. For example, the demo might have been produced under an
>> exclusive arrangement with the hardware manufacturer that might have now
>> expired.
>
>Let's say that what you're saying is true for just a second, and the demo
>was released under exclusive arrangement with the hardware manufacturer.
>Guess what? I have the hardware for which it was (hypothetically)
>produced, and through experimentation, erased the game.

It's not necessarily that simple. Such licensing agreements typically specify
a certain number of copies, and replacing your copy would be another copy.
That's why, for example, if you contact certain hardware vendors for
replacement of a CD with licensed 3rd party software, you may get assessed a
significant replacement charge, or refused entirely.

If in fact the copyright holder wanted the demo to be freely copied, then that
would presumably be noted in the license, and I would expect the demo to be
legitimately available for free download. As far as I can tell, neither is
the case.

To be clear, I have no idea what the licensing agreement is in this case, and
I'm neither defending the law nor giving you legal advice -- I'm just giving
you my understanding. You may wish to consult a qualified attorney for legal
advice and/or give some feedback to your elected representative in Congress.

>My options are to
>either go to Rogers Wireless, pay them $35 to reflash my phone with the
>firmware that originally came with the phone, which would severely limit my
>use of the phone since that firmware is Rogers specific, and I don't use
>their service, or I could ask a kind person with the *same* *phone* to send
>me a copy of the demo (not the registered copy of the software, as that'd be
>wrong). Since it costs $5.00 US to register Bejeweled with Jamdat, it'd be
>somewhat insane to spend $35 to get the demo, since it came with the bloody
>phone in the first place.

* 3rd option: Contact the copyright holder and ask for a copy of the demo.
* 4th option: Buy a full copy. As noted in my earlier post to this thread,
under $3 at <http://mobile.yahoo.com/fungames/appdl/product?pid=a208>

>Now... Seeing as the game is available for a few dozen phone models, plus
>two PDA operating systems, both in demo and registered forms, your argument
>of exclusivity holds no water.

There could actually be specific licenses covering all such devices.

What holds no water is not even trying to get a copy legitimately, or simply
buying a legitimate copy for a measly $3.

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On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 07:18:25 -0400, "CJD" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Self righteous mode again is it John? ;-)
>
>To the OP, just go to any cellphone forum and do a search, you will either
>find it, or a link to it and more games, in someones signature or on the
>site itself. Or just try a different V551 flex file, one that includes
>games, ask where you got it if the flex has games, or read the description
>if it has one.
>


Look through the games available here for the 551 to find Bejeweled.

http://www.getjar.com/software/Motorola/V551/Games

There are a ton of games (plus everything else) for 551 and V3. You might
have to sign up but if you do its free.

Great page for downloads.

I dedicate this link to "Turn 'em John" Navas.

John I suggest you visit "alt.binaries.cracks" They are waiting there for
you, they need a good laugh.

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>|
>| In <[email protected]> on 7 Oct 2005
>| 10:32:19 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>|
>| >When I bought my V551, it came with a demo of the game Bejeweled.
>| >Unfortunately, since the firmware that I flashed my phone with didn't
>| >include the game, it was lost after the upgrade.
>| >
>| >If it's not too much trouble, if someone reading this group still has
>| >the demo version of the game on your phone, could you pull a copy off
>| >your phone, zip it up and email it to me?
>|
>| That would presumably violate the copyright.
>| --
>| Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
>| John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
>


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John Navas wrote:
> It's not necessarily that simple. Such licensing agreements typically specify
> a certain number of copies, and replacing your copy would be another copy.

I can't agree with that, and I can say that an awful lot of software
vendors don't either. Most all the vendors I know of will replace a lost
or damaged copy of their software upon proof that the requestor had a
legitimate copy, some free, some for a copying and shipping charge.
If they considered replacement to be another copy, they'd charge for
another copy.

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