The Iphone Hype/Treo 700p

At 04 Jul 2007 10:34:19 -0700 Tinman wrote:

> What I think is not a good deal is paying full price for the iPhone and
> still having to commit to a two year contract. To me a contract is a
two-way
> street: both parties should get something out of it. What exactly does
the
> consumer get out of an iPhone contract?

They get the ability to actually USE it! This thing is so locked down it
won't even work as an iPod until activated, and only with it's contract
SIM- stick another AT&T SIM in and it goes back to paperweight mode...



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At 08 Jul 2007 18:06:42 +0000 AZ Nomad wrote:

> Also, the iphone doesn't use a 3G network. It works more like sprint
did 8
> years ago. The iphone networking is similar to a 56K modem. (100kbps
max,
> actually) Sprint runs more like 300-400kbps.

EDGE is good for about 150kbps. I find it sufficient for mobile use on a
phone (e-mail, wap browsing, etc.) Tethering to a laptop is painful,
though. (Which the iPhone can't do anyway.)


> And who the hell wants a phone that has to be sent back to the factory
to
> get a new battery? It's one thing to do without an ipod for 4 weeks,
but
> who wants to do without a cellphone for that period of time?

Everyone is making too much of this, IMO. With GSM, changing phones is
almost as easy as changing socks, and the SIM can easily be placed in an
old or loaner phone for the week it'll be at the shop.

Plus, in this day and age, peoople don't tend to keep phones long enough
for batteries to die! The replacement issue will be a problem for the
guy who buys it used on eBay in two or three years after the original
owner's upgraded to an iPhone II, or iPhone Nano, or whatever they call
the next one.



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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:40:28 -0600, Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:


>Everyone is making too much of this, IMO. With GSM, changing phones is
>almost as easy as changing socks, and the SIM can easily be placed in an
>old or loaner phone for the week it'll be at the shop.

Does the iphone have a removable simcard?
How many people will know to keep their old phone handy? (Reminds me of
AT&T wireless of 2000 where one had to keep their old phone handy to make
analog calls in fringe digital areas because AT&T was too ****ing cheap to
arrange fallback analog coverage anywhere within 100 miles of a digital
coverage area)



>Plus, in this day and age, peoople don't tend to keep phones long enough
>for batteries to die! The replacement issue will be a problem for the

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! You're really reaching.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that nobody expects an iphone
to last more than a year.

AZ Nomad wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 13:40:28 -0600, Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> Everyone is making too much of this, IMO. With GSM, changing phones is
>> almost as easy as changing socks, and the SIM can easily be placed in an
>> old or loaner phone for the week it'll be at the shop.
>
> Does the iphone have a removable simcard?

Yes, based on Walt Mossberg's Mailbox column this week. You have to use
a paper clip to get access to it.

> How many people will know to keep their old phone handy? (Reminds me of
> AT&T wireless of 2000 where one had to keep their old phone handy to make
> analog calls in fringe digital areas because AT&T was too ****ing cheap to
> arrange fallback analog coverage anywhere within 100 miles of a digital
> coverage area)
>
>
>
>> Plus, in this day and age, peoople don't tend to keep phones long enough
>> for batteries to die! The replacement issue will be a problem for the
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHA! You're really reaching.
> I guess I shouldn't be surprised that nobody expects an iphone
> to last more than a year.

Your batteries last only a year??? My Treo battery is 18 months old,
and going strong.

My wife's Kyocera 6035 has to be 5 years old, and its batteries are
working just fine. Okay, so we swap batteries once a week -- so its
batteries have at least 30 months' of uptime on them, each.

At 08 Jul 2007 21:18:38 +0000 AZ Nomad wrote:

> Does the iphone have a removable simcard?

Yes. It's a GSM phone.

> How many people will know to keep their old phone handy?
Some will, some won't. Those that won't can use a loaner.

> >Plus, in this day and age, peoople don't tend to keep phones long
enough
> >for batteries to die!
>
> BWAHAHAHAHAHA! You're really reaching.
> I guess I shouldn't be surprised that nobody expects an iphone
> to last more than a year.


In my experience, modern Li-Ion Batteries last at least twor three years.
I have a four year old PPC (Audiovox Maestro) with a non user-
replaceable battery still humming along. I just bought my first
replacement battery for my Nokia 8290 (my first GSM phone, and my first
phone with a Li-Ion, purchased Oct. 2001) earlier this year. It's
battery gave up the ghost about two years ago but when I found a good
deal on an OEM battery on eBay I brought the 8290 out of retirement for
old times' sake. You can borrow it if your iPhone needs a battery
replacement! ;-)

Again, I don't have (or want) an iPhone. And, all else being equal, I
prefer user-replaceable batteries. My point was only that people are
making too big a deal about this. The iPhone has far more serious flaws,
IMHO, than a soldered-in battery!




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