Telenav

When can I get ATT phones that do not require the extra puck
peace of hardware to use Telenav service.
Only option seems to be the blackberry 8800 or
the extra puck to carry around for the regular phones.

Sprint has a large selection of built in Telenav option phones.

TNX Jim

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"None" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> When can I get ATT phones that do not require the extra puck
> peace of hardware to use Telenav service.
> Only option seems to be the blackberry 8800 or the extra puck to carry
> around for the regular phones.
>
> Sprint has a large selection of built in Telenav option phones.
>
> TNX Jim

At 09 Jun 2007 21:54:46 -0400 None wrote:
> When can I get ATT phones that do not require the extra puck
> peace of hardware to use Telenav service.
> Only option seems to be the blackberry 8800 or the extra puck to carry
around for the regular phones.

The now discontinued HP 6515 had a built-in GPS, IIRC.

> Sprint has a large selection of built in Telenav option phones.

Sprint and Verizon use an "assisted GPS" system for E911 location, so all
their phones have a Qualcomm GPS chip on board so they can "sell" that
location data back to you as a GPS service subscription. Cingular (and T-
Mobile) use a less accurate tower triangulation system that really isn't
accurate enough for navigation, so external GPS is needed for nav software.


I guess the real question is why would you subscribe to Telenav with
Cingular monthly if you're supplying your own GPS data (via BT "puck" or
built-into the phone) when you could use Google Maps for free, or a one-
time purchase software solution. "Subscription" GPS makes a little more
sense with Sprint or Verizon since that subscription includes the
location data, bypassing the need for a separate GPS unit.

It is alleged that Todd Allcock claimed:

> Sprint and Verizon use an "assisted GPS" system for E911 location, so all
> their phones have a Qualcomm GPS chip on board so they can "sell" that
> location data back to you as a GPS service subscription. Cingular (and T-
> Mobile) use a less accurate tower triangulation system that really isn't
> accurate enough for navigation, so external GPS is needed for nav software.

OTOH, from everything that I've heard online, CDMA (Sprint, Verizon)
doesn't really allow for such triangulation in the first place so they
need the aGPS in order to comply with the E911 requirements. GSM
(Cingular/ATT, TMobile) does.

> I guess the real question is why would you subscribe to Telenav with
> Cingular monthly if you're supplying your own GPS data (via BT "puck" or
> built-into the phone) when you could use Google Maps for free, or a one-

GMM does not provide for real-time "follow me" directions, you have to
manually tell it to provide the next turn instructions and $DEITY help
you if you miss a turn. GMM also does not support GPS via BT on all
devices (it doesn't on a PalmOS phone) nor does it support the onboard
aGPS on all devices that have them.

> time purchase software solution. "Subscription" GPS makes a little more

What such options are there for a Blackberry? The only ones I know of
are Garmin or TomTom for Palm or WinMob.

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At 11 Jun 2007 16:38:52 -0400 Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:

> GMM does not provide for real-time "follow me" directions, you have to
> manually tell it to provide the next turn instructions and $DEITY help
> you if you miss a turn. GMM also does not support GPS via BT on all
> devices (it doesn't on a PalmOS phone) nor does it support the onboard
> aGPS on all devices that have them.


I'm a WinMo guy, so my experience with GMM is slim- I ditched it for the
more featured Windows Live Search, but you have to manually reroute with
that as well. For "serious" nav I use Maopopolis, but the online
services are handy for "where's the nearest Wells Fargo bank?" type of
search.
>
> What such options are there for a Blackberry? The only ones I know of
> are Garmin or TomTom for Palm or WinMob.


Again, I'm a WinMo guy, so I'm not aware of Blackberry-specific options,
sorry- maybe TeleNav is the way to go for it. For Windows Mobile,
there's IGuidance, Pharos' Ostia, Mapopolis (they've recently stopped
marketing their product, though- I think they've sold out to a dedicated
car GPS device manufacturer.) and probably a slew of others, but I
suspect the market's getting tougher for the mediocre ones with GMM and
WLS around.



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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 16:38:52 -0400, Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]>
wrote in <[email protected]>:

>It is alleged that Todd Allcock claimed:
>
>> Sprint and Verizon use an "assisted GPS" system for E911 location, so all
>> their phones have a Qualcomm GPS chip on board so they can "sell" that
>> location data back to you as a GPS service subscription. Cingular (and T-
>> Mobile) use a less accurate tower triangulation system that really isn't
>> accurate enough for navigation, so external GPS is needed for nav software.
>
>OTOH, from everything that I've heard online, CDMA (Sprint, Verizon)
>doesn't really allow for such triangulation in the first place so they
>need the aGPS in order to comply with the E911 requirements. GSM
>(Cingular/ATT, TMobile) does.

CDMA does use hybrid positioning to augment A-GPS.

TruePosition U-TDOA/AOA (used by AT&T/Cingular and T-Mobile) is accurate
enough for turn-by-turn routing. The problem is lack of support in
non-A-GPS handsets for location sensing applications.

>> I guess the real question is why would you subscribe to Telenav with
>> Cingular monthly if you're supplying your own GPS data (via BT "puck" or
>> built-into the phone) when you could use Google Maps for free, or a one-
>
>GMM does not provide for real-time "follow me" directions, you have to
>manually tell it to provide the next turn instructions and $DEITY help
>you if you miss a turn. GMM also does not support GPS via BT on all
>devices (it doesn't on a PalmOS phone) nor does it support the onboard
>aGPS on all devices that have them.

Having used both dedicated routing GPS units and GMM on my cell phone,
I personally prefer GMM, thanks to its richer interface (e.g., satellite
view) and server-based services.

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telenav works on many phones without any extra equipment. Even blackberry
now has a telenav version. Read some websites, post some questions all
before you open your wallet. Remember, sales professionals know how to make
you spend your money (and to increase their profit)
"None" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> When can I get ATT phones that do not require the extra puck
> peace of hardware to use Telenav service.
> Only option seems to be the blackberry 8800 or the extra puck to carry
> around for the regular phones.
>
> Sprint has a large selection of built in Telenav option phones.
>
> TNX Jim

"prc2u1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> telenav works on many phones without any extra equipment. Even blackberry
> now has a telenav version. Read some websites, post some questions all
> before you open your wallet.

I have a 8525 that works very well with a Bluetooth GPS instead of a 'puck'
type GPS. For short trips I just hang it on the rear view mirror. For day
long trips I connect both to a auto adapter with dual power connections.
Telenav worked fine but costs $10/mon for ever. In that price, they include
auto recalculation that alerts when you are as little as 100 feet off
course.

DeLorme Street Atlas has fewer feature but is a one time charge. The best
bargain going >if< you have GPS, is the mobile version of Microsoft
Local.Live.Com but you have to be in cellular Internet service to get maps
downloaded.

>Remember, sales professionals know how to make you spend your money (and to
>increase their profit)

If someone hadn't sold something, and made a profit, you wouldn't have a
job.


> "None" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> When can I get ATT phones that do not require the extra puck
>> peace of hardware to use Telenav service.
>> Only option seems to be the blackberry 8800 or the extra puck to carry
>> around for the regular phones.
>>
>> Sprint has a large selection of built in Telenav option phones.
>>
>> TNX Jim
>
>

"Thurman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> I have a 8525 that works very well with a Bluetooth GPS instead of a
> 'puck' type GPS. For short trips I just hang it on the rear view mirror.
> For day long trips I connect both to a auto adapter with dual power
> connections. Telenav worked fine but costs $10/mon for ever. In that
> price, they include auto recalculation that alerts when you are as little
> as 100 feet off course.
>
That bluetooth gps IS the puck.