Old seller IMEI blocks for revenge?

"Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Michael <[email protected]> wrote
> > thegoons <[email protected]> wrote
>
> >> Agreed. TIO must and will act. They will direct Telstra.
>
> > They will investigate and suggest nothing.
>
> Wrong, as always. They will make telstra check whether the
> individual who got the IMEI blocked had any right to do that.

Define "right to do that"

How can you prove who has the right to block an IMEI?

> > There is no way to "prove" who owns a handset at any one time
>
> There are plenty of ways of proving who has the right to block an IMEI.

How so? Name them.

"You made the claim, YOU get to prove it"

Case study: The handset I am currently using is not the one I use with my
number. The handset my sister is using, is on a service which is not in her
name.

You cannot prove who has the "right" to block an IMEI. You cannot prove, who
owns a phone. End of story.

>
>
> >> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >>> Spokes <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> Rod Speed wrote:
> >>>>> Spokes <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>> As Rod said in his post, the guy you bought the handset from is
> >>>>>> probably not the original owner.
> >>>>>> However it's strange that the IMEI was blocked 6 months after
> >>>>>> you'd bought it.
> >>>>>> Usually if the mobile is lost or stolen, the block is applied
> >>>>>> within hours or a week at the most. Unless, the phone was stolen
> >>>>>> whilst the owner was overseas (or in gaol) and they just
> >>>>>> returned (or got out), realised the situation and called their
> >>>>>> SP to block the IMEI. If the caller is honest, details are taken
> >>>>>> down of where and when the set went missing, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> It's not a situation for the TIO.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wrong when telstra claims that only the individual who blocked
> >>>>> the IMEI can unblock it and telstra isnt prepared to show that
> >>>>> the individual who blocked the IMEI had the actually owned
> >>>>> that phone when the ownership is in dispute.
> >>>
> >>>> The question now is, whose service is it anyway? Our friend's?
> >>>> Perhaps not anymore if it's been changed without his knowledge**
> >>>> And that can be done very easily if the service is pre-paid.
> >>>
> >>> And that is precisely what the TIO can get involved in resolving
> >>> if telstra is stupid enough to try stonewalling him on that
> >>> question.
> >>>
> >>>> a phone can change owners every week
> >>>> so a receipt from 6 months ago is irrelevant.
> >>>
> >>> No its not when considering whether the seller actually owned it.
> >>>
> >>
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> > back & advise that I've found the PHONE.....This IMEI block system
> > needs to be reviewed--just to easy for a nuisance blocker to get
> > someone else's phone blocked.
>
> I don't think you understand what I was getting at. By making a call
> with that sim + phone combination you have shown the carrier that at
> some point there was a relationship between the two. Unless the nuisance

But that means nothing, I've put my SIM into my wifes phone to use it when
mine was being repaired, doesnt mean I should necessarily be able to block
her phone

> The carrier would look to see that their account/sim has never been
> associated with that phone and thus no relationship exists = no block.
> Get my point?

Unfortunately most IT systems cannot even do what you suggest, very easily.

It just isnt done that way by anyone, in the real world.

Michael <[email protected]> wrote:

>>> This IMEI block system needs to be reviewed--just to easy for
>>> a nuisance blocker to get someone else's phone blocked.

>> I don't think you understand what I was getting at. By making a
>> call with that sim + phone combination you have shown the carrier
>> that at some point there was a relationship between the two.

> But that means nothing, I've put my SIM into my wifes phone
> to use it when mine was being repaired, doesnt mean I should
> necessarily be able to block her phone

It does however mean that the sim has been used in the phone,
so you cant say just get an IMEI off an ebay ad and maliciously
block it just because you didnt get the phone in the auction.

AND that sort of very short term use of a particular phone
shouldnt allow that IMEI to be blocked by that user anyway.
Or at least the telco should quickly unblock it if the owner
of the phone reports it as having been maliciously blocked
by say an ex spouse etc.

>> The carrier would look to see that their account/sim
>> has never been associated with that phone and thus
>> no relationship exists = no block. Get my point?

> Unfortunately most IT systems cannot
> even do what you suggest, very easily.

Then its about time that the telco got a good kicking and
was forced to fix the system, as the OP originally said.

> It just isnt done that way by anyone, in the real world.

Pig ignorant drivel.

No telco will block any IMEI that they get a request to block
without any check at all that the caller is entitled to have it blocked.

Even telstra aint actually THAT ****ed.

Michael <[email protected]> wrote
> Rod Speed <[email protected]> wrote
>> Michael <[email protected]> wrote
>>> thegoons <[email protected]> wrote

>>>> Agreed. TIO must and will act. They will direct Telstra.

>>> They will investigate and suggest nothing.

>> Wrong, as always. They will make telstra check whether the
>> individual who got the IMEI blocked had any right to do that.

> Define "right to do that"

That they had the handset at one time and werent a thief etc
who had got caught and is attempting to maliciously block the IMEI.

> How can you prove who has the right to block an IMEI?

Should be obvious. The individual who is calling
to get the IMEI blocked should be able to show
that it has used that IMEI for more than a short time.

>>> There is no way to "prove" who owns a handset at any one time

>> There are plenty of ways of proving who has the right to block an IMEI.

> How so? Name them.

Just did.

> Case study: The handset I am currently using is not
> the one I use with my number. The handset my sister
> is using, is on a service which is not in her name.

Irrelevant if its been used with that sim for more than a short time.

> You cannot prove who has the "right" to block an IMEI.

Wrong, as always.

> You cannot prove, who owns a phone.

Wrong, as always. Have fun explaining how come the cops can do that
with stolen property, you silly little pig ignorant dunny cleaning ****wit
child.

> End of story.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed dunny cleaner fantasyland.


>>>> "Rod Speed" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> Spokes <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> Spokes <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> As Rod said in his post, the guy you bought the handset from is
>>>>>>>> probably not the original owner.
>>>>>>>> However it's strange that the IMEI was blocked 6 months after
>>>>>>>> you'd bought it.
>>>>>>>> Usually if the mobile is lost or stolen, the block is applied
>>>>>>>> within hours or a week at the most. Unless, the phone was
>>>>>>>> stolen whilst the owner was overseas (or in gaol) and they just
>>>>>>>> returned (or got out), realised the situation and called their
>>>>>>>> SP to block the IMEI. If the caller is honest, details are
>>>>>>>> taken down of where and when the set went missing, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's not a situation for the TIO.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wrong when telstra claims that only the individual who blocked
>>>>>>> the IMEI can unblock it and telstra isnt prepared to show that
>>>>>>> the individual who blocked the IMEI had the actually owned
>>>>>>> that phone when the ownership is in dispute.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The question now is, whose service is it anyway? Our friend's?
>>>>>> Perhaps not anymore if it's been changed without his knowledge**
>>>>>> And that can be done very easily if the service is pre-paid.
>>>>>
>>>>> And that is precisely what the TIO can get involved in resolving
>>>>> if telstra is stupid enough to try stonewalling him on that
>>>>> question.
>>>>>
>>>>>> a phone can change owners every week
>>>>>> so a receipt from 6 months ago is irrelevant.
>>>>>
>>>>> No its not when considering whether the seller actually owned it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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[email protected] wrote:
> Bought my 6310i (still have receipt) from the original owner about
> 6months ago from Trading Post.

I noticed that yo9u are not referring to the receipt as the contract.

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You make sense by I cant figure why my PrePaid Telco would block my old
3210 without it ever been used on their system?

That's the point that I'm trying to make. You make sense --- The
telco's IMEI block of a phone never on their system doesn't.

I'm the original owner SINCE NEW from another Telco yet my PrePaid
Telco blocked it.

You make sense by I cant figure why my PrePaid Telco would block my old
3210 without it ever been used on their system?

That's the point that I'm trying to make. You make sense --- The
telco's IMEI block of a phone never on their system doesn't.

I'm the original owner SINCE NEW from another Telco yet my PrePaid
Telco blocked it.

You first post told us that you bought the phone via the Trading Post
off a bloke who showed you the Telstra receipt, etc.
You'd been using the phone and service for 6 months before it was
blocked.
Now you tell us you owned the phone outright and ported it to telstra
and it's never been used on the network?
Have you re-charged the account since you ported the number to telstra?

Rod, can you make sense of what he's saying?

Spokes wrote:

> You first post told us that you bought the phone via the Trading Post
> off a bloke who showed you the Telstra receipt, etc.
> You'd been using the phone and service for 6 months before it was
> blocked.
> Now you tell us you owned the phone outright and ported it to telstra
> and it's never been used on the network?
> Have you re-charged the account since you ported the number to telstra?
>
> Rod, can you make sense of what he's saying?

He's got two phones. Complicated, eh?

Spokes <[email protected]> wrote:

> You first post told us that you bought the phone via the Trading
> Post off a bloke who showed you the Telstra receipt, etc.

> You'd been using the phone and service for 6 months before it was
> blocked. Now you tell us you owned the phone outright and ported
> it to telstra and it's never been used on the network?

> Have you re-charged the account since you ported the number to
> telstra?

> Rod, can you make sense of what he's saying?

It has got rather confused.

I assume he is saying that he can get an IMEI thats never
been used on the telstra system blocked by ringing telstra,
but that isnt the handset that someone else got blocked on
him, that he had been using and got via the trading post.

This last post of his appears to be a comment on
how poor Telstra's proceedures are for blocking
IMEIs, saying that they dont really check at all
when the IMEI has not been used on their system.

Rod Speed wrote:
> Spokes <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > You first post told us that you bought the phone via the Trading
> > Post off a bloke who showed you the Telstra receipt, etc.
>
> > You'd been using the phone and service for 6 months before it was
> > blocked. Now you tell us you owned the phone outright and ported
> > it to telstra and it's never been used on the network?
>
> > Have you re-charged the account since you ported the number to
> > telstra?
>
> > Rod, can you make sense of what he's saying?
>
> It has got rather confused.
>
> I assume he is saying that he can get an IMEI thats never
> been used on the telstra system blocked by ringing telstra,
> but that isnt the handset that someone else got blocked on
> him, that he had been using and got via the trading post.
>
> This last post of his appears to be a comment on
> how poor Telstra's proceedures are for blocking
> IMEIs, saying that they dont really check at all
> when the IMEI has not been used on their system.

Thank you.
Knowing the Telstra system like I do, an IMEI can only be blocked if
there is an service number attached to it.
The most likely way that a block has occurred in this case is that that
the phone has been loaned out to someone who has placed their own sim
card in it, made some calls, given the phone back, and later on calls
up customer service from another service and does the dirty trick.

"Nick Adams" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > know? I tried it today, I pulled out my old 3210,rang PrePaid Optus
> > (just sim --no contract), and all they needed was the IMEI, no model,
> > no proof, just the IMEI --- yep and now my old 3210 is blocked till I
> > ring in and say I found it. --- How easy was that !!! ,, what a joke.
>
> But did you make a call using that phone+sim combination? I would assume
> so. If you did then that establishes a link between the two (phone and
> account) and your story is feasible. So you can't really do it to Joe
> Random unless you get their phone, put your sim in and (I assume) make a
> call/sms. Correct?

Nope. No such check is made

"Nick Adams" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote:
> > Thanks for your response.
> > I tried several combinations. Newly blocked 3210 with Optus pre-paid
> > sim, Virgin account sim & Telstra account sim even mums Voda sim and
> > all come up as phone blocked etc. but when use all the above sims into
> > another phone then that phone is ok--even with my Optus Pre paid
> > sim---I advised Optus that only my phone was missing NOT THE SIM-- So
> > yep, its definitely only the phone thats now usesless till I ring them
> > back & advise that I've found the PHONE.....This IMEI block system
> > needs to be reviewed--just to easy for a nuisance blocker to get
> > someone else's phone blocked.
>
> I don't think you understand what I was getting at. By making a call
> with that sim + phone combination you have shown the carrier that at
> some point there was a relationship between the two. Unless the nuisance
> person has physical access to your phone to put their sim in they can't,
> IMHO, just ring up and cancel the IMEI.

And once again I advise, you are incorrect.

> The carrier would look to see that their account/sim has never been
> associated with that phone and thus no relationship exists = no block.
> Get my point?

And you are wrong

> >> The carrier would look to see that their account/sim
> >> has never been associated with that phone and thus
> >> no relationship exists = no block. Get my point?
>
> > Unfortunately most IT systems cannot
> > even do what you suggest, very easily.
>
> Then its about time that the telco got a good kicking and
> was forced to fix the system, as the OP originally said.

Nothing needs fixing because nothing is wrong

You just cant prove, to any degree of reliability, that you (man who owns
service), has the right to block said IMEI

> > It just isnt done that way by anyone, in the real world.
>
> Pig ignorant drivel.
>
> No telco will block any IMEI that they get a request to block
> without any check at all that the caller is entitled to have it blocked.

Try it with Telstra!
>
> Even telstra aint actually THAT ****ed.

They are all that ****ed. Telstra is, thats why this thread started. Optus
is, as per other post
>
>

> > I assume he is saying that he can get an IMEI thats never
> > been used on the telstra system blocked by ringing telstra,
> > but that isnt the handset that someone else got blocked on
> > him, that he had been using and got via the trading post.
> >
> > This last post of his appears to be a comment on
> > how poor Telstra's proceedures are for blocking
> > IMEIs, saying that they dont really check at all
> > when the IMEI has not been used on their system.
>
> Thank you.
> Knowing the Telstra system like I do, an IMEI can only be blocked if
> there is an service number attached to it.

Thats also incorrect, dimwit.

What do you think the NBC block IMEIs for? For those services which havent
made a call against that IMEI.

Just because you, Mr CSR, cant do it in MCSHD doesnt mean it isnt done.

Read your Easenet for the correct policy on IMEI blocking

> The most likely way that a block has occurred in this case is that that
> the phone has been loaned out to someone who has placed their own sim
> card in it, made some calls, given the phone back, and later on calls
> up customer service from another service and does the dirty trick.

Incorrect.
>