Cingular to change name

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Remember all those promises of multiple monthly credits to your phone
>> bill if you agreed to switch to AT&T LD. The credits usually ended up to
>> be far less than the telemarketer promised, but of course since you had
>> no written agreement you were screwed.
>
> hehehehehe Many years ago I got two simultaneous offers--one per phone
> line--from AT&T. These were checks for $100; according to the very fine
> print on the back, my cashing the check was authorization for AT&T to
> switch me to their long distance service.
>
> I happily did so, knowing full well I had a long-standing PIC freeze on
> each line.

Well I did the same thing (with a $50 check), but I never got enough
back that way to compensate for what an earlier telephone offer
promised. They had offered six months of $30 per month credits, which
turned into, IIRC, six $15 credits. A coworker got the same offer and
was similarly screwed by AT&T.

No one ever called me to demand that I actually switch by releasing the
freeze, after I cashed the check, but IIRC, I got a letter explaining
that I needed to release the freeze in order to change to AT&T.

It's amazing to me the prices some people are still paying for long
distance, including intra-LATA. With something like TalkLoop, you pay
only 2¢ per minute, and it's very convenient with their no-PIN dialing,
and the ability to store frequently called numbers in their system. It's
a lot cheaper even for calls within the Bay Area, since AT&T charges 6¢
per minute for a call that's only going about 35 miles away. The only
time I really went crazy was when I needed to send a FAX to a number
that was not local. I ended up signing up for Faxaway, which charges $1
per month and about 10¢ for every five pages sent (free incoming).

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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> SMS <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It's amazing to me the prices some people are still paying for long
>> distance, including intra-LATA. With something like TalkLoop, you pay
>> only 2¢ per minute, and it's very convenient with their no-PIN dialing,
>> and the ability to store frequently called numbers in their system.
>
> Or pick any VOIP provider, and do it all for a single, simple price.
>
> I chose Sunrocket at $200 for two years, all up all in.

The problem is that the single, simple price, is rarely a bargain,
unless you are dropping your landline anyway.

The Sunrocket web site shows $199 per year. The $199 for two years was a
promotion for 1000 customers, that's long gone.

I could never use $200 worth of long distance, at 2¢ per minute, in one
year, and I have to keep my landline anyway since cable would be far
more expensive than DSL.

I think that most of the people I know are in the same boat, since they
use their cell phone for most long distance calls either, off-peak, or
with free mobile to mobile. Even using the $10 per six month minimum
(500 minutes) on Talkloop or Onesuite is tough. The big use of Talkloop
for some people I know is internationally, and their rates are a lot
lower than Sunrocket. The big use of Talkloop for me is intra-LATA calls
in the Bay Area during peak hours when I don't want to use up my peak
cell minutes.

In article <[email protected]>,
SMS <[email protected]> wrote:

> SinghaLvr wrote:
>
> > I think many customers have nostalgic feelings toward AT&T.
>
> Or at least that's what the AT&T execs hope.
>
> Consumers have very negative feelings toward AT&T's long distance
> services, which engaged in very deceptive marketing for many years.
> Remember all those promises of multiple monthly credits to your phone
> bill if you agreed to switch to AT&T LD. The credits usually ended up to
> be far less than the telemarketer promised, but of course since you had
> no written agreement you were screwed.
>
> Personally, I had only good experiences with AT&T Wireless, but I left
> prior to their decline. If someone has been living in a cave, and
> doesn't realize that the new AT&T Wireless is simply Cingular, then they
> may mistakenly switch to it, expecting more than they're going to get.

ATT wireless was decent. The Cingular takeover forced me to give up the
best phone I ever had - a Startac for a newer crappier phone. Held on to
my ATT account as long as I could, but I started getting treated like
the bastard stepchild by billing and customer service.

Happy with my Treo, but the Cingualr service has been less than stellar.

Even worse for Treo buyers was all the firmware they built in like
Express mail and MediaNet that doesn't work on a Treo. Spent a lot of
time with customer support trying to get that worked out. Only the Treo
support knew of the incompatibility.
Great minds at work here.

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It is alleged that Kurt claimed:

> Even worse for Treo buyers was all the firmware they built in like
> Express mail and MediaNet that doesn't work on a Treo. Spent a lot of

MediaNet is just the name of the data service, it's not anything extra
loaded into the Treo. Besides, stuff like XPress Mail is in ROM, where
it doesn't take up any extra space. The Treo 650 also has Versamail,
the Palm-standard email client.

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In article <[email protected]>,
Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]> wrote:

> It is alleged that Kurt claimed:
>
> > Even worse for Treo buyers was all the firmware they built in like
> > Express mail and MediaNet that doesn't work on a Treo. Spent a lot of
>
> MediaNet is just the name of the data service, it's not anything extra
> loaded into the Treo. Besides, stuff like XPress Mail is in ROM, where
> it doesn't take up any extra space. The Treo 650 also has Versamail,
> the Palm-standard email client.

Yes, but the fact that that they hard coded it into the Treo menu is
unexcusible.
VersaMail is the correct default mail program, but who would know trying
to use their Cingular Treo out of the box when VersaMail is the top icon?

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In article <[email protected]>,
Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > It is alleged that Kurt claimed:
> >
> > > Even worse for Treo buyers was all the firmware they built in like
> > > Express mail and MediaNet that doesn't work on a Treo. Spent a lot of
> >
> > MediaNet is just the name of the data service, it's not anything extra
> > loaded into the Treo. Besides, stuff like XPress Mail is in ROM, where
> > it doesn't take up any extra space. The Treo 650 also has Versamail,
> > the Palm-standard email client.
>
> Yes, but the fact that that they hard coded it into the Treo menu is
> unexcusible.
> VersaMail is the correct default mail program, but who would know trying
> to use their Cingular Treo out of the box when VersaMail is the top icon?

I meant:
VersaMail is the correct default mail program, but who would know trying
to use their Cingular Treo out of the box when XpressMail is the top
icon?

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In article <[email protected]>,
SinghaLvr <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:16:43 -0500, Sherry wrote
> (in article <[email protected]>):
>
> > Cingluar is rated 3rd in our area by Consumer Reports. We thought
> > about going with T-Mobile (#1 in our area)
>
> My wife uses t-mobile. They are absolutely fantastic in the customer service
> area. We've never had a problem on any front with them.
>
> The only drawback is that they aren't exactly on the bleeding edge of
> technology.

Yes, but looking around these days, who is?

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SinghaLvr wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:47:41 -0500, SMS wrote
> (in article <[email protected]>):
>
>> It's amazing to me the prices some people are still paying for long
>> distance, including intra-LATA. With something like TalkLoop, you pay
>> only 2¢ per minute, and it's very convenient with their no-PIN dialing,
>> and the ability to store frequently called numbers in their system. It's
>> a lot cheaper even for calls within the Bay Area, since AT&T charges 6¢
>> per minute for a call that's only going about 35 miles away. The only
>> time I really went crazy was when I needed to send a FAX to a number
>> that was not local. I ended up signing up for Faxaway, which charges $1
>> per month and about 10¢ for every five pages sent (free incoming).
>
> ... or just use your cell phone and not pay long distance.

It's fine if you have a plan with a lot of minutes, but it's often
cheaper to go with a lower minute plan and not use your peak minutes up
for non-mobile calls. I.e., I have a Verizon plan where I pay $28 per
month for 300 minutes.

"Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> SinghaLvr <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:16:43 -0500, Sherry wrote
>> (in article <[email protected]>):
>>
>> > Cingluar is rated 3rd in our area by Consumer Reports. We thought
>> > about going with T-Mobile (#1 in our area)
>>
>> My wife uses t-mobile. They are absolutely fantastic in the customer
>> service
>> area. We've never had a problem on any front with them.
>>
>> The only drawback is that they aren't exactly on the bleeding edge of
>> technology.
>
> Yes, but looking around these days, who is?

I consider my 8525 to raise the bar for technology.

My only complaints are:
Pocket Media Player, will not play cda files that play on WinXP Media
Player.
The included earbuds were apparently assembled by a 6 year old on his first
day at work in China; one strand is 6" long, the other is 20" long. It's
like being a Labrador Retriever in a perpetual hard turn with the connecting
wires hanging to one side.
There is some flexibility in re-assigning keys, but I don't think PTT is one
of them. PTT is located under the scroll bar and the 'Windows' button, so it
constantly pops up due to my clumsiness.

It is alleged that Thurman claimed:

> My only complaints are:
> Pocket Media Player, will not play cda files that play on WinXP Media
> Player.

cda files are "CD Audio", they exist on CDs only. Rip/convert to mp3
or wma.

> The included earbuds were apparently assembled by a 6 year old on his first
> day at work in China; one strand is 6" long, the other is 20" long. It's

That would be because they're designed to hang down on one side only.
Put the shorter one in your ear, then loop the other one around the
back of your neck to your other ear.

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It is alleged that Kurt claimed:

> > MediaNet is just the name of the data service, it's not anything extra
> > loaded into the Treo. Besides, stuff like XPress Mail is in ROM, where
> > it doesn't take up any extra space. The Treo 650 also has Versamail,
> > the Palm-standard email client.
>
> Yes, but the fact that that they hard coded it into the Treo menu is
> unexcusible.

That's like complaining that your broadband provider "hard coded" their
network data into your computer's networking settings.

MediaNet is the name of the data service. The settings under
"MediaNet" are the settings needed to access the service. I fail to
see the problem.

> VersaMail is the correct default mail program, but who would know trying
> to use their Cingular Treo out of the box when VersaMail is the top icon?

Um, because it's "the top icon"?

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In article <[email protected]>,
Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]> wrote:

> It is alleged that Kurt claimed:
>
> > > MediaNet is just the name of the data service, it's not anything extra
> > > loaded into the Treo. Besides, stuff like XPress Mail is in ROM, where
> > > it doesn't take up any extra space. The Treo 650 also has Versamail,
> > > the Palm-standard email client.
> >
> > Yes, but the fact that that they hard coded it into the Treo menu is
> > unexcusible.
>
> That's like complaining that your broadband provider "hard coded" their
> network data into your computer's networking settings.

Do you actually know anything about the Treo?
>
> MediaNet is the name of the data service. The settings under
> "MediaNet" are the settings needed to access the service. I fail to
> see the problem.
>
Medianet is incompatible with the Treo.

> > VersaMail is the correct default mail program, but who would know trying
> > to use their Cingular Treo out of the box when VersaMail is the top icon?
>
> Um, because it's "the top icon"?

Because you have two mail programs installed by Cingular, XpressMail is
incompatible with Treo.

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It is alleged that Kurt claimed:

> > That's like complaining that your broadband provider "hard coded" their
> > network data into your computer's networking settings.
>
> Do you actually know anything about the Treo?

Does the fact that I used a Treo 650 for over a year and a half and
upgraded to a 680 about three weeks ago count? I'm currently active on
the Treo list at Yahoo, as well as several program-specific lists. And
I've been using Palms since the IIIx was current. I may not be an
ubergeek with it, but I think I know what I'm talking about.

> > MediaNet is the name of the data service. The settings under
> > "MediaNet" are the settings needed to access the service. I fail to
> > see the problem.
> >
> Medianet is incompatible with the Treo.

Just because Cingular wants to sell you their unlimited PDA Connect for
another $40/month doesn't mean that MediaNet doesn't work. It works
just fine for me. It's just the name of a data service.

> Because you have two mail programs installed by Cingular, XpressMail is
> incompatible with Treo.

I think I used XPressMail once, way back in June of '05 when I got my
first Treo. I thought it sucked. It worked, but it sucked. Versamail,
as maligned as it is by a lot of people, is a lot better than
XpressMail. If it were incompatible with the Treo, it wouldn't even
load and run.

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"Jeffrey Kaplan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> It is alleged that Thurman claimed:
>
>> My only complaints are:
>> Pocket Media Player, will not play cda files that play on WinXP Media
>> Player.
>
> cda files are "CD Audio", they exist on CDs only. Rip/convert to mp3
> or wma.
>
>> The included earbuds were apparently assembled by a 6 year old on his
>> first
>> day at work in China; one strand is 6" long, the other is 20" long. It's
>
> That would be because they're designed to hang down on one side only.
> Put the shorter one in your ear, then loop the other one around the
> back of your neck to your other ear.

LOL!

I thought you were going to tell me to wrap the 20" cord around my neck and
jump!

Thanks for the tips.

In article <[email protected]>,
Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]> wrote:

> It is alleged that Kurt claimed:
>
> > > That's like complaining that your broadband provider "hard coded" their
> > > network data into your computer's networking settings.
> >
> > Do you actually know anything about the Treo?
>
> Does the fact that I used a Treo 650 for over a year and a half and
> upgraded to a 680 about three weeks ago count? I'm currently active on
> the Treo list at Yahoo, as well as several program-specific lists. And
> I've been using Palms since the IIIx was current. I may not be an
> ubergeek with it, but I think I know what I'm talking about.

Good, read my comments further.
BTW- why the upgrade? 680, from all the reviews, has shortcomings like
diminished battery life. Blazer's apparently a little quicker, but I
don't see the big deal - especially since you aren't on a data plan.
>
> > > MediaNet is the name of the data service. The settings under
> > > "MediaNet" are the settings needed to access the service. I fail to
> > > see the problem.
> > >
> > Medianet is incompatible with the Treo.
>
> Just because Cingular wants to sell you their unlimited PDA Connect for
> another $40/month doesn't mean that MediaNet doesn't work. It works
> just fine for me. It's just the name of a data service.

Had my Treo for almost 2 years. Intially tried to set up MediaNet. This
was before I had any data plan. Wouldn't work. Was told from the get-go
that MediaNet would not work with Treo. They, on many occasions, have
told me that this is for cell phones only, not Treo. Spent a lot of time
with Cingular with this.
If you actually use it on your 650/680 - proof how screwed up Cingular
is with Treo support.
>
> > Because you have two mail programs installed by Cingular, XpressMail is
> > incompatible with Treo.
>
> I think I used XPressMail once, way back in June of '05 when I got my
> first Treo. I thought it sucked. It worked, but it sucked. Versamail,
> as maligned as it is by a lot of people, is a lot better than
> XpressMail. If it were incompatible with the Treo, it wouldn't even
> load and run.

Xpressmail would not work, and Cingular support said it was
compatibility issues with Treo.

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