1998 BMW car phone

Got the car BUT the phone is analog. Where can I find the ESN number? Phone has
an "MSN" # on it but that doesn't work. Phone is a Motorola/BMW CPT6000. Any
way to get the ESN # through the keypad? I'm able to get 911 and 611 but that's
it.

Since Verizon isn't activating NEW analog accounts I want to try activating the
phone using they're website where they have a feature enabling you to replace
your existing digital phone if its being "repaired" etc with another one
provided you type in the ESN #. Or if anyone in NYC did this another way please
let me know.

Thanks,

Tony

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The ESN change feature should workwith no issues I do it quite frequently
between a digital Qualcomm and Motorola StarTac 8500 Analog Only. But I will
add that the account I do it with was originally an Analog Account from way
back. Cant be sure if that does influence it. I have been told by Tech
Support that they need to distibguish between the two in account setup, but
I have read way too many others who have done it as well.
Now,second issue. ESN. The ESN can be brought up through the Handset
provided you can get phone into Test Mode. Unfortunately, that phone
requires a Test Mode Adapter, or someone knowledgeavble to short the
transceiver out and put in test mode. Now the great thing there is, if you
are able to get to the transceiver to get the test adapter put on, then you
can also just get the ESN off the transceiver label. CATCH 22. Now, if you
find the right technician or management at a Cellular Dealer, you can read
the ESN over the air using a Cellular Test Analyzer. But , of course, that
requires someone who is cool. Since they wont activate Analog unless it was
originally an analog acct, they will say "Why do we need to read it, we wont
activate it? That excuse or technique is up to you. Last but not least, you
could get phone programmed, then call Tech Support and tell them that the
dealer programmed your phone and youcant make a call "What is the problem?"
Then if you get the "Non swift" they may read the ESN at the switch and fix
it. Keep in mind they can see what kind of phone it is and may tell you
forget it. Also, they will NEVER give you the ESN over the phone, well not
supposed too.
Good luck.

Also, are you able to even get into the phone to program it? If security
code has been chjaned from default 6 0's (oooooo) It then becomes a moot
point, because, youll need to put in test mode to program it. And getting to
the transceiver in a BMWer could be tricky. You may need go to BMW dealer
and ask some guy walking around, where do they put the phone "box" in this
model. Also, if bought from a local dealer, they will have record on phone
as well.

OK, that sit, my complete 20 years of phone experience regards to your
dilemma.

Here is a good site to help you program the phone
http://www.collusion.org/Article.cfm?ID=411


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"Tonyny44" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Got the car BUT the phone is analog. Where can I find the ESN number?
Phone has
> an "MSN" # on it but that doesn't work. Phone is a Motorola/BMW CPT6000.
Any
> way to get the ESN # through the keypad? I'm able to get 911 and 611 but
that's
> it.
>
> Since Verizon isn't activating NEW analog accounts I want to try
activating the
> phone using they're website where they have a feature enabling you to
replace
> your existing digital phone if its being "repaired" etc with another one
> provided you type in the ESN #. Or if anyone in NYC did this another way
please
> let me know.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony

The ESN change feature should workwith no issues I do it quite frequently
between a digital Qualcomm and Motorola StarTac 8500 Analog Only. But I will
add that the account I do it with was originally an Analog Account from way
back. Cant be sure if that does influence it. I have been told by Tech
Support that they need to distibguish between the two in account setup, but
I have read way too many others who have done it as well.
Now,second issue. ESN. The ESN can be brought up through the Handset
provided you can get phone into Test Mode. Unfortunately, that phone
requires a Test Mode Adapter, or someone knowledgeavble to short the
transceiver out and put in test mode. Now the great thing there is, if you
are able to get to the transceiver to get the test adapter put on, then you
can also just get the ESN off the transceiver label. CATCH 22. Now, if you
find the right technician or management at a Cellular Dealer, you can read
the ESN over the air using a Cellular Test Analyzer. But , of course, that
requires someone who is cool. Since they wont activate Analog unless it was
originally an analog acct, they will say "Why do we need to read it, we wont
activate it? That excuse or technique is up to you. Last but not least, you
could get phone programmed, then call Tech Support and tell them that the
dealer programmed your phone and youcant make a call "What is the problem?"
Then if you get the "Non swift" they may read the ESN at the switch and fix
it. Keep in mind they can see what kind of phone it is and may tell you
forget it. Also, they will NEVER give you the ESN over the phone, well not
supposed too.
Good luck.

Also, are you able to even get into the phone to program it? If security
code has been chjaned from default 6 0's (oooooo) It then becomes a moot
point, because, youll need to put in test mode to program it. And getting to
the transceiver in a BMWer could be tricky. You may need go to BMW dealer
and ask some guy walking around, where do they put the phone "box" in this
model. Also, if bought from a local dealer, they will have record on phone
as well.

OK, that sit, my complete 20 years of phone experience regards to your
dilemma.

Here is a good site to help you program the phone
http://www.collusion.org/Article.cfm?ID=411


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Visit Wireless World for all the latest news from the world of wireless
technology. From Wireless Phones, Wi-Fi to PDA's to LapTops we deliver it
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"Tonyny44" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Got the car BUT the phone is analog. Where can I find the ESN number?
Phone has
> an "MSN" # on it but that doesn't work. Phone is a Motorola/BMW CPT6000.
Any
> way to get the ESN # through the keypad? I'm able to get 911 and 611 but
that's
> it.
>
> Since Verizon isn't activating NEW analog accounts I want to try
activating the
> phone using they're website where they have a feature enabling you to
replace
> your existing digital phone if its being "repaired" etc with another one
> provided you type in the ESN #. Or if anyone in NYC did this another way
please
> let me know.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony

>The ESN change feature should workwith no issues I do it quite frequently
>between a digital Qualcomm and Motorola StarTac 8500 Analog Only. But I will
>add that the account I do it with was originally an Analog Account from way
>back. Cant be sure if that does influence it.

I've never had an analog phone with Verizon -- think that goes back to the days
of Cellular One as it was called. Whats funny is when I first tried the ESN
switch with Verizon's Website it activated my old Motorola 8160 which is NOT
the ENS # I typed in the Website. I had to call them up to reactivate my v60!
;-) But now I have the ESN # for the v60 so I won't need them anymore. ;-)

>I have read way too many others who have done it as well.

Yeah this is what I'm hoping for -- someone told me I can find an 8 hex (?) ESN
number in the trunk of the car?

>Now,second issue. ESN. The ESN can be brought up through the Handset
>provided you can get phone into Test Mode.

I can get into TEST MODE as I saw on one of the BMW boards a way to do it --
BUT I don't know where to go from there to get the ESN #! I get a flashing
screen with some numbers on it -- can you help?

Unfortunately, that phone
>requires a Test Mode Adapter, or someone knowledgeavble to short the
>transceiver out and put in test mode.
See above...

Now the great thing there is, if you
>are able to get to the transceiver to get the test adapter put on, then you
>can also just get the ESN off the transceiver label. CATCH 22. Now, if you
>find the right technician or management at a Cellular Dealer, you can read

My account is with Verizon and they won't activate analog accounts. Now that I
think of it -- the dumbass "tech" I showed the phone to said yes it can be done
and walked me to the showroom and asked a salesclerk who said NO it can't be
done. BUT at the time I didn't mention I was ALREADY a customer, sigh.

>Then if you get the "Non swift" they may read the ESN at the switch and fix
>it. Keep in mind they can see what kind of phone it is and may tell you
>forget it. Also, they will NEVER give you the ESN over the phone, well not
>supposed too.
>Good luck.

Somewhat along this line -- I also heard I need to DEACTIVATE call waiting and
caller ID IF I ever get this phone activated in order to get incomming calls?
True?


>
>Also, are you able to even get into the phone to program it? If security

I got to test mode....see above.

tricky. You may need go to BMW dealer
>and ask some guy walking around, where do they put the phone "box" in this
>model. Also, if bought from a local dealer, they will have record on phone
>as well.

If I go to the BMW dealer (or stealer) I might eliminate all this nonsense and
have the car rewired for DIGITAL. Than again they want 2k for that, so I hear.

Thanks for all your help!

>The ESN change feature should workwith no issues I do it quite frequently
>between a digital Qualcomm and Motorola StarTac 8500 Analog Only. But I will
>add that the account I do it with was originally an Analog Account from way
>back. Cant be sure if that does influence it.

I've never had an analog phone with Verizon -- think that goes back to the days
of Cellular One as it was called. Whats funny is when I first tried the ESN
switch with Verizon's Website it activated my old Motorola 8160 which is NOT
the ENS # I typed in the Website. I had to call them up to reactivate my v60!
;-) But now I have the ESN # for the v60 so I won't need them anymore. ;-)

>I have read way too many others who have done it as well.

Yeah this is what I'm hoping for -- someone told me I can find an 8 hex (?) ESN
number in the trunk of the car?

>Now,second issue. ESN. The ESN can be brought up through the Handset
>provided you can get phone into Test Mode.

I can get into TEST MODE as I saw on one of the BMW boards a way to do it --
BUT I don't know where to go from there to get the ESN #! I get a flashing
screen with some numbers on it -- can you help?

Unfortunately, that phone
>requires a Test Mode Adapter, or someone knowledgeavble to short the
>transceiver out and put in test mode.
See above...

Now the great thing there is, if you
>are able to get to the transceiver to get the test adapter put on, then you
>can also just get the ESN off the transceiver label. CATCH 22. Now, if you
>find the right technician or management at a Cellular Dealer, you can read

My account is with Verizon and they won't activate analog accounts. Now that I
think of it -- the dumbass "tech" I showed the phone to said yes it can be done
and walked me to the showroom and asked a salesclerk who said NO it can't be
done. BUT at the time I didn't mention I was ALREADY a customer, sigh.

>Then if you get the "Non swift" they may read the ESN at the switch and fix
>it. Keep in mind they can see what kind of phone it is and may tell you
>forget it. Also, they will NEVER give you the ESN over the phone, well not
>supposed too.
>Good luck.

Somewhat along this line -- I also heard I need to DEACTIVATE call waiting and
caller ID IF I ever get this phone activated in order to get incomming calls?
True?


>
>Also, are you able to even get into the phone to program it? If security

I got to test mode....see above.

tricky. You may need go to BMW dealer
>and ask some guy walking around, where do they put the phone "box" in this
>model. Also, if bought from a local dealer, they will have record on phone
>as well.

If I go to the BMW dealer (or stealer) I might eliminate all this nonsense and
have the car rewired for DIGITAL. Than again they want 2k for that, so I hear.

Thanks for all your help!

> I can get into TEST MODE as I saw on one of the BMW boards a way to do
it --
> BUT I don't know where to go from there to get the ESN #! I get a flashing
> screen with some numbers on it -- can you help?

Go to google and search for "Motorola bible"
Or use one of these links.
http://www.qsl.net/n9zia/motorola.txt
http://packetstormsecurity.nl/cellul...a/motbible.txt
http://www.totse.com/en/phreak/cellu.../motbible.html
The Motorola bible will have most of the information you need.

> Somewhat along this line -- I also heard I need to DEACTIVATE call waiting
and
> caller ID IF I ever get this phone activated in order to get incomming
calls?
> True?

Call waiting has nothing to do with the phone.
All older cell phones can use call waiting.

Call ID depends on the phone you have.
A lot of the older analog phone supported call ID.
And on the phone that don't support it, some won't
be affected by having it turned on, and some will be
adversely affected.
It is the luck of the draw.

> If I go to the BMW dealer (or stealer) I might eliminate all this nonsense
and
> have the car rewired for DIGITAL. Than again they want 2k for that, so I
hear.


You can forget about having your system wired for digital.
A true installed digital system doesn't exist for the USA.

You would have to have one of those ugly phone cradles installed
To hold a digital hand held phone,Or go with a new on star system.

> I can get into TEST MODE as I saw on one of the BMW boards a way to do
it --
> BUT I don't know where to go from there to get the ESN #! I get a flashing
> screen with some numbers on it -- can you help?

Go to google and search for "Motorola bible"
Or use one of these links.
http://www.qsl.net/n9zia/motorola.txt
http://packetstormsecurity.nl/cellul...a/motbible.txt
http://www.totse.com/en/phreak/cellu.../motbible.html
The Motorola bible will have most of the information you need.

> Somewhat along this line -- I also heard I need to DEACTIVATE call waiting
and
> caller ID IF I ever get this phone activated in order to get incomming
calls?
> True?

Call waiting has nothing to do with the phone.
All older cell phones can use call waiting.

Call ID depends on the phone you have.
A lot of the older analog phone supported call ID.
And on the phone that don't support it, some won't
be affected by having it turned on, and some will be
adversely affected.
It is the luck of the draw.

> If I go to the BMW dealer (or stealer) I might eliminate all this nonsense
and
> have the car rewired for DIGITAL. Than again they want 2k for that, so I
hear.


You can forget about having your system wired for digital.
A true installed digital system doesn't exist for the USA.

You would have to have one of those ugly phone cradles installed
To hold a digital hand held phone,Or go with a new on star system.

>
>Go to google and search for "Motorola bible"
>Or use one of these links.
>http://www.qsl.net/n9zia/motorola.txt
>http://packetstormsecurity.nl/cellul...a/motbible.txt
>http://www.totse.com/en/phreak/cellu.../motbible.html
>The Motorola bible will have most of the information you need.

yeah the TRICK is finding it in between all the POPUPS. I even got DELAYED
popups with those links above....next time I want a fireworks display I'll go
to Macys...

>Call waiting has nothing to do with the phone.
>All older cell phones can use call waiting.

Didn't say it DID -- just said I HEARD it needed to be turned OFF to get
INCOMMING calls.

>Call ID depends on the phone you have.
>A lot of the older analog phone supported call ID.

I don't care about caller id, etc.......just want to ACTIVATE the phone. Which
I can do with an ESN NUMBER.


>You can forget about having your system wired for digital.
>A true installed digital system doesn't exist for the USA.

Eh not according to the dealer and others who HAD IT DONE.
>
>You would have to have one of those ugly phone cradles installed
>To hold a digital hand held phone,Or go with a new on star system.

Eh I HAVE the BMW PHONE (removable) INSTALLED already in the car -- not ugly
and works for 911 and 611.

>
>Go to google and search for "Motorola bible"
>Or use one of these links.
>http://www.qsl.net/n9zia/motorola.txt
>http://packetstormsecurity.nl/cellul...a/motbible.txt
>http://www.totse.com/en/phreak/cellu.../motbible.html
>The Motorola bible will have most of the information you need.

yeah the TRICK is finding it in between all the POPUPS. I even got DELAYED
popups with those links above....next time I want a fireworks display I'll go
to Macys...

>Call waiting has nothing to do with the phone.
>All older cell phones can use call waiting.

Didn't say it DID -- just said I HEARD it needed to be turned OFF to get
INCOMMING calls.

>Call ID depends on the phone you have.
>A lot of the older analog phone supported call ID.

I don't care about caller id, etc.......just want to ACTIVATE the phone. Which
I can do with an ESN NUMBER.


>You can forget about having your system wired for digital.
>A true installed digital system doesn't exist for the USA.

Eh not according to the dealer and others who HAD IT DONE.
>
>You would have to have one of those ugly phone cradles installed
>To hold a digital hand held phone,Or go with a new on star system.

Eh I HAVE the BMW PHONE (removable) INSTALLED already in the car -- not ugly
and works for 911 and 611.

> yeah the TRICK is finding it in between all the POPUPS. I even got DELAYED
> popups with those links above....next time I want a fireworks display I'll
go
> to Macys...

????????????????????????????????????
I didn't get one popup with any of those links?????????
All the first two is, is .TXT files, nothing that can generate a popup.


> >Call waiting has nothing to do with the phone.
> >All older cell phones can use call waiting.
>
> Didn't say it DID -- just said I HEARD it needed to be turned OFF to get
> INCOMMING calls.

I wasn't claming you did say that.
Yeash..... Touchy

> >Call ID depends on the phone you have.
> >A lot of the older analog phone supported call ID.
>
> I don't care about caller id, etc.......just want to ACTIVATE the phone.
Which
> I can do with an ESN NUMBER.

That is why I gave you links to the Motorola bible.
It gives all the information you need to get the esn, program the phone, and
anything else.

> >You can forget about having your system wired for digital.
> >A true installed digital system doesn't exist for the USA.
>
> Eh not according to the dealer and others who HAD IT DONE.

I would love to know what model of phone they were installing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only true installed phone with separate handset I know of in the USA
is the old tried and true 3W phone with car kit.

> Eh I HAVE the BMW PHONE (removable) INSTALLED already in the car -- not
ugly
> and works for 911 and 611.

That is a mater of taste, I personally hate them, but that is me.

> yeah the TRICK is finding it in between all the POPUPS. I even got DELAYED
> popups with those links above....next time I want a fireworks display I'll
go
> to Macys...

????????????????????????????????????
I didn't get one popup with any of those links?????????
All the first two is, is .TXT files, nothing that can generate a popup.


> >Call waiting has nothing to do with the phone.
> >All older cell phones can use call waiting.
>
> Didn't say it DID -- just said I HEARD it needed to be turned OFF to get
> INCOMMING calls.

I wasn't claming you did say that.
Yeash..... Touchy

> >Call ID depends on the phone you have.
> >A lot of the older analog phone supported call ID.
>
> I don't care about caller id, etc.......just want to ACTIVATE the phone.
Which
> I can do with an ESN NUMBER.

That is why I gave you links to the Motorola bible.
It gives all the information you need to get the esn, program the phone, and
anything else.

> >You can forget about having your system wired for digital.
> >A true installed digital system doesn't exist for the USA.
>
> Eh not according to the dealer and others who HAD IT DONE.

I would love to know what model of phone they were installing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The only true installed phone with separate handset I know of in the USA
is the old tried and true 3W phone with car kit.

> Eh I HAVE the BMW PHONE (removable) INSTALLED already in the car -- not
ugly
> and works for 911 and 611.

That is a mater of taste, I personally hate them, but that is me.

On 02 Jan 2004 15:17:14 GMT, [email protected] (Tonyny44) posted to
alt.cellular.motorola:

>Yeah this is what I'm hoping for -- someone told me I can find an 8 hex (?) ESN
>number in the trunk of the car?

The radio is in the trunk. (Trace the antenna wire.) There should be
a label on it with the ESN.
--
Al - rukbat at optonline dot net

On 02 Jan 2004 15:17:14 GMT, [email protected] (Tonyny44) posted to
alt.cellular.motorola:

>Yeah this is what I'm hoping for -- someone told me I can find an 8 hex (?) ESN
>number in the trunk of the car?

The radio is in the trunk. (Trace the antenna wire.) There should be
a label on it with the ESN.
--
Al - rukbat at optonline dot net

>I would love to know what model of phone they were installing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Easy boy.......its only a phone we're talking about..

>The only true installed phone with separate handset I know of in the USA
>is the old tried and true 3W phone with car kit.
>

Amazing....must be real FOGGY in London, eh? ANY BMW (7 series anyway) from yr
2000 ON has digital wiring AND phones (CPT 7000 and CPT 8000) with controls on
the steering wheel & nav screen. Mine does to but its ANALOG (CPT6000). If I
wanted a handsfree kit I could go to any Radio Shack. I like being able to use
the car's built in mike, having the stereo muted and controling the phone via
the steering wheel.

> >The only true installed phone with separate handset I know of in the USA
> >is the old tried and true 3W phone with car kit.
> >
>
> Amazing....must be real FOGGY in London, eh?

Har har har.........

>ANY BMW (7 series anyway) from yr
> 2000 ON has digital wiring AND phones (CPT 7000 and CPT 8000) with
controls on
> the steering wheel & nav screen. Mine does to but its ANALOG (CPT6000). If
I
> wanted a handsfree kit I could go to any Radio Shack. I like being able to
use
> the car's built in mike, having the stereo muted and controling the phone
via
> the steering wheel.

I see where I am getting mixed up here.

I don't call those true installed phones.
An installed phone is one that can't be removed from the vehicle
in any way, shape, or form.
The ones you are referring to are just portable phones plugged
into a fancy integrated car mount.

I thought (and others thought) you had an actual installed car phone.
That's why they was telling you to follow the antenna cable until you
found the transceiver portion of the cellular phone, which is separate from
the handset that would be by the front seat.

The 6000 uses a portable hand held phone.
Just take the phone out of the holster and take the battery pack off.
You will see various numbers on the back stickers on the phone.
One of them will be the ESN.
The ESN will be an 8 digit hexidecimal number.
(ie) it will only contain the digits 0123456789ABCDF
And it will be on a sticker with bar codes above each number.