Replacement of PDA and phone

On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:00:50 -0500, [email protected] (Todd H.) wrote:

>I've yet to pay for the software to convert over my Palm
>Desktop datebook into Outlook so it can sync to it, but I'm getting
>ready to as I start to use the phone more.


Tell me more. If I buy an iPhone (or one of the other non-Palm
devices), what do I need to do to transfer the data stored on my Palm
Tungsten C to a new device?

Best,

Bob

Robert A. Fink, M. D., FACS, P. C.
Neurological Surgery
2500 Milvia Street Suite 222
Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA
510-849-2555

"Ex Tristitia Virtus"

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On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:10:00 -0700, Kurt <[email protected]>
wrote:

>> Costco has the tilt, Comes with 12V cord leather case and a Bluetooth
>> headset which was the moto rechargeable one that was selling for 79.99.
>>
>> The complete kit was 249.99 after rebate. Add all that to the iPhone, and
>> the iPhone is over twice the price.
>
>Both are chump change compared to monthly phone/data/tax charges.
>You could pay that in one month's usage.


But we are already paying for wireless phone, data, and tax charges
through our current phones. And I already use AT&T Laptop Connect
(3G) through my laptop. Will I have to pay double if I get a 3G phone?


Best,

Bob

Robert A. Fink, M. D., FACS, P. C.
Neurological Surgery
2500 Milvia Street Suite 222
Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA
510-849-2555

"Ex Tristitia Virtus"

In article <[email protected]>,
"Robert A. Fink, M. D." <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:10:00 -0700, Kurt <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >> Costco has the tilt, Comes with 12V cord leather case and a Bluetooth
> >> headset which was the moto rechargeable one that was selling for 79.99.
> >>
> >> The complete kit was 249.99 after rebate. Add all that to the iPhone, and
> >> the iPhone is over twice the price.
> >
> >Both are chump change compared to monthly phone/data/tax charges.
> >You could pay that in one month's usage.
>
>
> But we are already paying for wireless phone, data, and tax charges
> through our current phones. And I already use AT&T Laptop Connect
> (3G) through my laptop. Will I have to pay double if I get a 3G phone?
>
Seems like it would be the same. I was only using the example that $79
could easily be one month's service for someone, and for others, who are
heavy users, much more. Just the point that the initial cost of buying a
unit, any unit, pales in comparison to what you'll be paying to the
phone company over time. Better to have something fun that you like,
rather than just looking at the few dollars you might "save" going in.

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In article <[email protected]>,
"Robert A. Fink, M. D." <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:00:50 -0500, [email protected] (Todd H.) wrote:
>
> >I've yet to pay for the software to convert over my Palm
> >Desktop datebook into Outlook so it can sync to it, but I'm getting
> >ready to as I start to use the phone more.
>
>
> Tell me more. If I buy an iPhone (or one of the other non-Palm
> devices), what do I need to do to transfer the data stored on my Palm
> Tungsten C to a new device?
>
Google it, there are a couple ways.

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"Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > In article <[email protected]>,
>> > "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email protected]...
>> >> > Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> 4. The Apple iPhone appears to be a nice piece of equipment, but it
>> >> >> has several shortcomings, including having to work through iTunes,
>> >> >> battery replacement problems, a "mediocre" phone (by report), not
>> >> >> compatible with 3G service (I use ATT's Laptop Connect service);
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> it remains relatively pricey.
>> >> >
>> >> > The iPhone is actually not all that pricey, but it's limited in
>> >> > functionality. Definitely wait for the new 3G model if going with
>> >> > the
>> >> > iPhone.
>> >> >
>> >> > The best choice is the HTC Tilt 8925 / TyTN II (Kaiser). This is far
>> >> > more
>> >> > fully featured than the iPhone, with 3G, voice-dialing, GPS, and a
>> >> > better
>> >> > OS. It's about the same price as the iPhone because you get a
>> >> > discount
>> >> > for
>> >> > a contract renewal.
>> >>
>> >> Costco has the tilt, Comes with 12V cord leather case and a Bluetooth
>> >> headset which was the moto rechargeable one that was selling for
>> >> 79.99.
>> >>
>> >> The complete kit was 249.99 after rebate. Add all that to the iPhone,
>> >> and
>> >> the iPhone is over twice the price.
>> >
>> > Both are chump change compared to monthly phone/data/tax charges.
>> > You could pay that in one month's usage.
>> >
>> > --
>> > To reply by email, remove the word "space"
>>
>>
>> The Tilt uses 3G which is 30.00 a month unlimited use. Add 5.00 a moth
>> for
>> 200 text's if needed. He was talking about the cost of the Iphone as to
>> the
>> tilt being almost the same price. The Tilt is less then half the price of
>> the Iphone and does much more the the iPhone both now and later on down
>> the
>> road. Even If apple were to add 3G and Microsoft apps. You can replace
>> the
>> battery and add more Flash mem when ever you want.
>
> Yes, but the bigger picture bottom line is overall cost and the
> functions you need.
>
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Same cost for the 3G service. Iphone or Tilt. Same price for both.
What does the Iphone offer that the Tilt does not ? Tilt Is cheaper the the
Iphone.

At 27 Mar 2008 16:42:55 -0400 Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:

> But if the thing constantly falls down, it's hard to use those
> features.


True- but the misconception flown by the anti-MS crowd is that these
devices lock up hourly or so- that just isn't the case. Compared to a
Nokia 6030, or even an iPhone or Blackberry WinMo devices can be
"unstable," but it's not the handicap that's it often portrayed to be- (and
I'm again referring to the more robust touchscreen devices- my wife's T-
Mobile Dash- a non-touchscreen unit running very few 3rd party apps is as
rock-solid as any phone I've ever used- it runs for weeks without a hitch.)


> > My WinMo device handles memory rather poorly- the amount of available
RAM
> > decreases throught the day requiring the occasional nightly reboot to
> > reclaim it- that's a level of "instability" I'm more than willing to
put up
> > with in return for carrying a "laptop" in my pocket.
>
> Close your apps, don't just switch out of them.


I do that- I'm referring to "memory leaks"- memory loss caused by some 3rd
party apps that somehow refuse to relinquish memory back to the OS when
closed. QMail, the e-mail/NNTP client I'm typing this on now, for example,
robs a meg or two each time I close it. Open it/close it a half-dozen
times and I'm forced to reboot to get my "mising" 8-10 meg back. I'd get
rid of it, but it's a darn useful little app I haven't found a good
alternative for.

At 27 Mar 2008 14:13:43 -0700 Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:

> But we are already paying for wireless phone, data, and tax charges
> through our current phones. And I already use AT&T Laptop Connect
> (3G) through my laptop. Will I have to pay double if I get a 3G phone?


AT&T charges $30/month for "unlimited" smartphone/PDA phone data,
regardless of the phone's data speed.

It's $60/month if you want to tether a laptop to it, so you might be able
to save a few bucks by dropping your laptop connect line and just tethering
the laptop to the Tilt ($60/month for tethered data would be cheaper than
$30 for on-phone data plus $60 for the laptop card.)


As far as your other question on the thread; transferring the Palm
contacts/calendar to the new phone, does your Tungsten have bluetooth? You
could simply transfer them to the new phone via BT, then sync from the Tilt
to Outlook, and avoid the need for any type of Palm Desktop-to-Outlook
utility.

Todd H. wrote:

> The iPhone which I've also used is a far more satisfying interactive
> experience verus the Tilt with the speed of the display and
> responsiveness, and such, but its apalling lack of HSDPA data support
> makes it pretty worthless for tethering. Once the iPhone has
> integrated GPS and 3G data support though, the Tilt will feel like an
> also ran.

Yes, when the iPhone gains a GPS, 3G, tethering, Exchange server
support, and voice dialing, it'll be hard to beat (provided they also
add the ability to edit and display Office documents).

Kurt wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
>>>
>>>> 4. The Apple iPhone appears to be a nice piece of equipment, but it
>>>> has several shortcomings, including having to work through iTunes,
>>>> battery replacement problems, a "mediocre" phone (by report), not
>>>> compatible with 3G service (I use ATT's Laptop Connect service); and
>>>> it remains relatively pricey.
>>> The iPhone is actually not all that pricey, but it's limited in
>>> functionality. Definitely wait for the new 3G model if going with the
>>> iPhone.
>>>
>>> The best choice is the HTC Tilt 8925 / TyTN II (Kaiser). This is far more
>>> fully featured than the iPhone, with 3G, voice-dialing, GPS, and a better
>>> OS. It's about the same price as the iPhone because you get a discount for
>>> a contract renewal.
>> Costco has the tilt, Comes with 12V cord leather case and a Bluetooth
>> headset which was the moto rechargeable one that was selling for 79.99.
>>
>> The complete kit was 249.99 after rebate. Add all that to the iPhone, and
>> the iPhone is over twice the price.
>
> Both are chump change compared to monthly phone/data/tax charges.
> You could pay that in one month's usage.

I also saw the unlocked Tilt at Costco, and it was about $700.

Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:

> That statement makes me chuckle. What good is a bazilion features and
> programs, if the thing constantly falls over due to stability issues?
> Stability is Function Number 1.

Because it isn't "constantly," it's occasionally. A Mac is more stable
than a Windows PC too, but the reason the Mac market share is so low is
because buyers value functionality over stability. Of course with the
ability to dual-boot Windows and OS X, you can now have a Mac with more
functionality than a Windows box.

Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:10:00 -0700, Kurt <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>> Costco has the tilt, Comes with 12V cord leather case and a Bluetooth
>>> headset which was the moto rechargeable one that was selling for 79.99.
>>>
>>> The complete kit was 249.99 after rebate. Add all that to the iPhone, and
>>> the iPhone is over twice the price.
>> Both are chump change compared to monthly phone/data/tax charges.
>> You could pay that in one month's usage.
>
>
> But we are already paying for wireless phone, data, and tax charges
> through our current phones. And I already use AT&T Laptop Connect
> (3G) through my laptop. Will I have to pay double if I get a 3G phone?

That's an interesting question that probably only AT&T can answer. Be
sure to phrase the question to them perfectly clearly so you can get an
accurate answer, i.e., "sometimes I want to use laptop 3G, and sometimes
I want to use 3G on the phone, but I don't want to pay twice." I suspect
that the answer will be that you have to pay double, because both
devices could be used simultaneously. If you were doing tethering of the
laptop through the 3G phone, rather than using the laptop connect card,
then you would only pay once.

Jeffrey Kaplan <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> That statement makes me chuckle. What good is a bazilion features and
> programs, if the thing constantly falls over due to stability issues?
> Stability is Function Number 1.
>
>

No use at all. I don't understand how Micro$oft stays in business.

Just think where we'd be, today, if noone bought the IBM PC and all bought
Apple ][ instead!

We'd be paying $5000 for a 16 bit Motorola computer with little storage and
$500 every time you wanted to buy a game.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> > In article <[email protected]>,
> >> > "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> >> > Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> 4. The Apple iPhone appears to be a nice piece of equipment, but it
> >> >> >> has several shortcomings, including having to work through iTunes,
> >> >> >> battery replacement problems, a "mediocre" phone (by report), not
> >> >> >> compatible with 3G service (I use ATT's Laptop Connect service);
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> it remains relatively pricey.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The iPhone is actually not all that pricey, but it's limited in
> >> >> > functionality. Definitely wait for the new 3G model if going with
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > iPhone.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The best choice is the HTC Tilt 8925 / TyTN II (Kaiser). This is far
> >> >> > more
> >> >> > fully featured than the iPhone, with 3G, voice-dialing, GPS, and a
> >> >> > better
> >> >> > OS. It's about the same price as the iPhone because you get a
> >> >> > discount
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > a contract renewal.
> >> >>
> >> >> Costco has the tilt, Comes with 12V cord leather case and a Bluetooth
> >> >> headset which was the moto rechargeable one that was selling for
> >> >> 79.99.
> >> >>
> >> >> The complete kit was 249.99 after rebate. Add all that to the iPhone,
> >> >> and
> >> >> the iPhone is over twice the price.
> >> >
> >> > Both are chump change compared to monthly phone/data/tax charges.
> >> > You could pay that in one month's usage.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > To reply by email, remove the word "space"
> >>
> >>
> >> The Tilt uses 3G which is 30.00 a month unlimited use. Add 5.00 a moth
> >> for
> >> 200 text's if needed. He was talking about the cost of the Iphone as to
> >> the
> >> tilt being almost the same price. The Tilt is less then half the price of
> >> the Iphone and does much more the the iPhone both now and later on down
> >> the
> >> road. Even If apple were to add 3G and Microsoft apps. You can replace
> >> the
> >> battery and add more Flash mem when ever you want.
> >
> > Yes, but the bigger picture bottom line is overall cost and the
> > functions you need.
> >
> > --
> > To reply by email, remove the word "space"
>
>
> Same cost for the 3G service. Iphone or Tilt. Same price for both.
> What does the Iphone offer that the Tilt does not ? Tilt Is cheaper the the
> Iphone.

The initial cost of buying a unit, any unit, pales in comparison to what
you'll be paying to the phone company over time. Better to have
something fun that you like, rather than just looking at the few dollars
you might "save" going in.

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"Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > In article <[email protected]>,
>> > "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> news:[email protected]...
>> >> > In article <[email protected]>,
>> >> > "Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> "SMS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:[email protected]...
>> >> >> > Robert A. Fink, M. D. wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> 4. The Apple iPhone appears to be a nice piece of equipment, but
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> has several shortcomings, including having to work through
>> >> >> >> iTunes,
>> >> >> >> battery replacement problems, a "mediocre" phone (by report),
>> >> >> >> not
>> >> >> >> compatible with 3G service (I use ATT's Laptop Connect service);
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> it remains relatively pricey.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The iPhone is actually not all that pricey, but it's limited in
>> >> >> > functionality. Definitely wait for the new 3G model if going with
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > iPhone.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The best choice is the HTC Tilt 8925 / TyTN II (Kaiser). This is
>> >> >> > far
>> >> >> > more
>> >> >> > fully featured than the iPhone, with 3G, voice-dialing, GPS, and
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > better
>> >> >> > OS. It's about the same price as the iPhone because you get a
>> >> >> > discount
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > a contract renewal.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Costco has the tilt, Comes with 12V cord leather case and a
>> >> >> Bluetooth
>> >> >> headset which was the moto rechargeable one that was selling for
>> >> >> 79.99.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The complete kit was 249.99 after rebate. Add all that to the
>> >> >> iPhone,
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> the iPhone is over twice the price.
>> >> >
>> >> > Both are chump change compared to monthly phone/data/tax charges.
>> >> > You could pay that in one month's usage.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > To reply by email, remove the word "space"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The Tilt uses 3G which is 30.00 a month unlimited use. Add 5.00 a moth
>> >> for
>> >> 200 text's if needed. He was talking about the cost of the Iphone as
>> >> to
>> >> the
>> >> tilt being almost the same price. The Tilt is less then half the price
>> >> of
>> >> the Iphone and does much more the the iPhone both now and later on
>> >> down
>> >> the
>> >> road. Even If apple were to add 3G and Microsoft apps. You can replace
>> >> the
>> >> battery and add more Flash mem when ever you want.
>> >
>> > Yes, but the bigger picture bottom line is overall cost and the
>> > functions you need.
>> >
>> > --
>> > To reply by email, remove the word "space"
>>
>>
>> Same cost for the 3G service. Iphone or Tilt. Same price for both.
>> What does the Iphone offer that the Tilt does not ? Tilt Is cheaper the
>> the
>> Iphone.
>
> The initial cost of buying a unit, any unit, pales in comparison to what
> you'll be paying to the phone company over time. Better to have
> something fun that you like, rather than just looking at the few dollars
> you might "save" going in.
>
> --
> To reply by email, remove the word "space"


Iphone 3G 30.00 a month if AT&T gives the same price as all other 3G phones.
Tilt "
"

Same price per month. A few dollars you might "save" ?
Same price per month for the data. Half the price for the tilt is hardly a
few bucks.

In article <[email protected]>,
"Kevin Weaver" <[email protected]> wrote:


>
>
> Iphone 3G 30.00 a month if AT&T gives the same price as all other 3G phones.
> Tilt "
> "
>
> Same price per month. A few dollars you might "save" ?
> Same price per month for the data. Half the price for the tilt is hardly a
> few bucks.

So your monthly cell phone bill is $30?

I think not.

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