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- 10-10-2003, 08:08 AM #1RenaldoGuest
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:56:33 GMT, "Roger" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Ha ha ha ha,
>Where are you now Justin???
Maybe consulting with lawyers if he has actually been harrassed?
Maybe signing up for an account at one of the many News Servers
that allow totally anonymous posting?
Such efforts as we saw yesterday are usually very counter productive.
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- 10-10-2003, 09:39 AM #2Thomas T. VeldhouseGuest
Re: Where are you now Justin???
"Renaldo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:56:33 GMT, "Roger" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Ha ha ha ha,
> >Where are you now Justin???
>
> Maybe consulting with lawyers if he has actually been harrassed?
>
Unless what was posted is false, it is not at all likely that a lawyer can
do anything for Justin. It certainly is not harrassment as it is a public
forum. It is not deffamation or slander if it is true. It looks as though
Justin would have no case.
Tom Veldhouse
- 10-10-2003, 11:01 AM #3RenaldoGuest
Re: Where are you now Justin???
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:39:00 -0500, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Unless what was posted is false, it is not at all likely that a lawyer can
>do anything for Justin. It certainly is not harrassment as it is a public
>forum.
To tell folks to harrass his boss by telephone? Depends on the state
but in many that is exactly what qualifies as harrassment.
- 10-10-2003, 12:09 PM #4Thomas T. VeldhouseGuest
Re: Where are you now Justin???
"Renaldo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:39:00 -0500, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Unless what was posted is false, it is not at all likely that a lawyer
can
> >do anything for Justin. It certainly is not harrassment as it is a
public
> >forum.
>
> To tell folks to harrass his boss by telephone? Depends on the state
> but in many that is exactly what qualifies as harrassment.
The people that call his boss would be doing the harrassing, not the guy who
told them that they could or should do it. Now, if he formed and led an
"organization" to harrass him, then he would be guilty even if he didn't
call himself, but suggesting such a thing in a newsgroup certainly doesn't
qualify.
Good luck Renaldo of Italy who seems to love Sprint PCS ... which should
matter little to a student of Italy
Tom Veldhouse
- 10-10-2003, 12:50 PM #5ben dejoGuest
Re: Where are you now Justin???
Actually if Justin can prove the identity of the poster, and can
demonstrate harm ( I think the technical term is "Tort"). Then he
actually may have a case. This might be treated as a negligence tort as
"whoever" posted this information did so expressly condoning the actions
of others to commit "harrassment". I could make a case that this would
similar to someone inciting a person to yell "fire" in a crowded
theater.
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
>
> "Renaldo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:39:00 -0500, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >Unless what was posted is false, it is not at all likely that a lawyer
> can
> > >do anything for Justin. It certainly is not harrassment as it is a
> public
> > >forum.
> >
> > To tell folks to harrass his boss by telephone? Depends on the state
> > but in many that is exactly what qualifies as harrassment.
>
> The people that call his boss would be doing the harrassing, not the guy who
> told them that they could or should do it. Now, if he formed and led an
> "organization" to harrass him, then he would be guilty even if he didn't
> call himself, but suggesting such a thing in a newsgroup certainly doesn't
> qualify.
>
> Good luck Renaldo of Italy who seems to love Sprint PCS ... which should
> matter little to a student of Italy
>
> Tom Veldhouse
>
>
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- 10-10-2003, 01:03 PM #6Thomas T. VeldhouseGuest
Re: Where are you now Justin???
"ben dejo" <direcció[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Actually if Justin can prove the identity of the poster, and can
> demonstrate harm ( I think the technical term is "Tort"). Then he
> actually may have a case. This might be treated as a negligence tort as
> "whoever" posted this information did so expressly condoning the actions
> of others to commit "harrassment". I could make a case that this would
> similar to someone inciting a person to yell "fire" in a crowded
> theater.
Telling somebody to go jump off of a bridge would not make you responsible
if they do so. The same goes for the obvious harrassment. Making the
information availble is not illegal ... using it in a harrassing manner is.
Now, if you could show consipiracy, then the poster might be prosecuted
without having actually done the harrassing. I am not sure there are too
many cases where conspiracy to harrass would come into play, and certainly
here it does not (who is he working explicity with to harrass Justin?).
There is simply no way that this guy can be successfully prosecuted [with
any half-way compentent defense] and only a foolish lawyer (of which there
are plenty I am sure) would take it on prosecution.
So, having said that ... JUSTIN, GO JUMP OFF OF A BRIDGE! If Justin quits
posting, don't blame me
Tom Veldhouse
- 10-10-2003, 01:17 PM #7ben dejoGuest
Re: Where are you now Justin???
Inciting people to jump off a bridge would entail this. It works like
this, you post a persons information whom is not too popular right now
(I'll use Richard Nixon, he's dead so who is it going to hurt, but it
could be anyone who is alive) and you convince enough gullible, pissed
off, and possibly chemically impaired hippies that jumping off a bridge
in protest to the Viet Nam war was going to stop Mr. Nixon from
continuing to bomb Cambodia, and if they actually jump...now you can be
held liable in their deaths...because you said they should.
Is this case iron clad, no. But it's not what you or I say, it's 12
unemployed people who couldn't get out of jury duty.
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
>
> "ben dejo" <direcció[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Actually if Justin can prove the identity of the poster, and can
> > demonstrate harm ( I think the technical term is "Tort"). Then he
> > actually may have a case. This might be treated as a negligence tort as
> > "whoever" posted this information did so expressly condoning the actions
> > of others to commit "harrassment". I could make a case that this would
> > similar to someone inciting a person to yell "fire" in a crowded
> > theater.
>
> Telling somebody to go jump off of a bridge would not make you responsible
> if they do so. The same goes for the obvious harrassment. Making the
> information availble is not illegal ... using it in a harrassing manner is.
> Now, if you could show consipiracy, then the poster might be prosecuted
> without having actually done the harrassing. I am not sure there are too
> many cases where conspiracy to harrass would come into play, and certainly
> here it does not (who is he working explicity with to harrass Justin?).
>
> There is simply no way that this guy can be successfully prosecuted [with
> any half-way compentent defense] and only a foolish lawyer (of which there
> are plenty I am sure) would take it on prosecution.
>
> So, having said that ... JUSTIN, GO JUMP OFF OF A BRIDGE! If Justin quits
> posting, don't blame me
>
> Tom Veldhouse
>
>
>
>
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- 10-10-2003, 01:22 PM #8RenaldoGuest
Re: Where are you now Justin???
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:03:48 -0500, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Making the
>information availble is not illegal ... using it in a harrassing manner is.
Yes but the poster (In another post Identified) did more than just
post phone numbers. They also said: "I suggest everyone in the
newsgroup call him up". I think most groups of 12 folks would call
that incitement.
It seems a double standard to object to Justins' posts, and then
defend the "Anonymous" post as free speech.
If you want to allow the "Anonymous" post under the free speech,
anything goes on USENET theory, then all of Justins posts are fine and
dandy.
If you want these cellular newgroups a tad closer to what might be
found in a moderated news group then you ought to be somewhat more
Fair and Balanced in what you object to.
- 10-10-2003, 03:29 PM #9p laneGuest
Re: Where are you now Justin???
an absollute defense for this would be if the infomation happened to be
the truth...remember the line from Gone with the Wind,"I am not in the
habit of shooting people for telling the truth, my dear".
direcció[email protected] (ben dejo) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> Actually if Justin can prove the identity of the poster, and can
> demonstrate harm ( I think the technical term is "Tort"). Then he
> actually may have a case. This might be treated as a negligence tort as
> "whoever" posted this information did so expressly condoning the actions
> of others to commit "harrassment". I could make a case that this would
> similar to someone inciting a person to yell "fire" in a crowded
> theater.
>
> "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> >
> > "Renaldo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:39:00 -0500, "Thomas T. Veldhouse"
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Unless what was posted is false, it is not at all likely that a lawyer
> > can
> > > >do anything for Justin. It certainly is not harrassment as it is a
> > public
> > > >forum.
> > >
> > > To tell folks to harrass his boss by telephone? Depends on the state
> > > but in many that is exactly what qualifies as harrassment.
> >
> > The people that call his boss would be doing the harrassing, not the guy who
> > told them that they could or should do it. Now, if he formed and led an
> > "organization" to harrass him, then he would be guilty even if he didn't
> > call himself, but suggesting such a thing in a newsgroup certainly doesn't
> > qualify.
> >
> > Good luck Renaldo of Italy who seems to love Sprint PCS ... which should
> > matter little to a student of Italy
> >
> > Tom Veldhouse
> >
> >
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]
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- 10-10-2003, 07:52 PM #10Ben SkverskyGuest
Re: Where are you now Justin???
And where did you get your law degree???
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Renaldo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:56:33 GMT, "Roger" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >Ha ha ha ha,
> > >Where are you now Justin???
> >
> > Maybe consulting with lawyers if he has actually been harrassed?
> >
>
> Unless what was posted is false, it is not at all likely that a lawyer can
> do anything for Justin. It certainly is not harrassment as it is a public
> forum. It is not deffamation or slander if it is true. It looks as
though
> Justin would have no case.
>
> Tom Veldhouse
>
>
>
- 10-11-2003, 11:54 AM #11Al KleinGuest
Re: Where are you now Justin???
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:52:57 -0400, "Ben Skversky"
<[email protected]> posted in alt.cellular.verizon:
>"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> "Renaldo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:56:33 GMT, "Roger" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > >Ha ha ha ha,
>> > >Where are you now Justin???
>> > Maybe consulting with lawyers if he has actually been harrassed?
>> Unless what was posted is false, it is not at all likely that a lawyer can
>> do anything for Justin. It certainly is not harrassment as it is a public
>> forum. It is not deffamation or slander if it is true. It looks as though
>> Justin would have no case.
>And where did you get your law degree???
It might be actionable if it's malicious, even if it's true.
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