Samsung i500 - Who has in Stock?

mitchell friend wrote:
>
> only wholesales for around 300.oo if retail is 600.00,wholesale is about
> 50% of any product in this countries retail price.can say different,but
> have been in retail for 20 years and have seen actual costs of
> products,and what costs a company to get product has always been 50% of
> retail,and the bigger the company the smaller there cost is to get
> product,and if it is imported from china there cost is even lower if
> they are an american company,no import fees to have to pay.and no taxes
> on product either.

% markup varies greatly with different products.

Larry

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do you work in corparate buying,if so you may be able to see actual cost
of product,but i can say you dont so you dont see actual costs of
product,only what they say it cost,what company pays for product is not
retail,but wholesale,which is at least 50% of retail,that is the problem
with most people,they think retail is what companys pay for the product
they resell,but companys get products 99% of the time at wholesale
prices.which is 50% of retail price.like for example a omega seamaster
watch has retail price of 1,750.00,but whole sale price is only
850.00,which is what dealers pay for watch,then they sell it for as
close to retail as posssible to make as big as possible profit on
product,also clothes in department stores that sell for 50.00 for a pair
of pants only cost company maybe 10.00 to buy from manufacturer and that
would include any import fees.

[email protected] (SprintPCS Tech) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
>
>
> P Reality <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > I have all the evidence that you have omitted, that the I500 is a combo
> > all the featiures of a $250 cell phone, and a $200 Palm device, being
> > inferior to a $200 Sony SJ22, take $250, add $200, add your $50
> > subsidation and you have $500. The i500 sells for $600.
>
> You can't go by that. By your logic, a laptop with the same specs as a
> PC should have the same price, but they don't.
>
> You're also paying for a much smaller form factor (two devices in one)
> and the convenience of having one device instead of two.
>
> You claim that Sprint PCS is making money off the I500, where is your
> proof? Like I said, I have access to the actual numbers, and the cost
> on the I500 is $630 when SprintPCS is selling it for $600. Despite what
> your numbers say, thats a loss.
>
> And for those who think its bad marketing, in every store of mine that
> has sold the I500, the lowest plan was $80 per month. This phone is
> designed and marketed for your high end user, who will make the money
> back for the company in their MRC.
>
> Selling phones at a loss is a very common practice with all the
> carriers, they all offer a low priced phone and lock you in a 1 or 2
> year contract. Why the contract? So the company knows they'll make
> their money back, and if you break it, you pay the early termination
> fee.
>
> Its actualy a common practice in a lot of product lines, selling a
> product at below cost just so you get a customer on the high profit
> items / services.
>
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% mark up is about the same on any product,it is regulated by laws of
country and state,which from cost to wholesale is a 1.5 markup. from
wholesale to retail is up to what the companys think they can get as
retail price,which includes any employee wages and any other costs they
figure into it.so if a company lays off a lot of employees,then their
profits go up,maybe way up.if product is imported then they are already
making a big profit.

Lawrence Glasser <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> mitchell friend wrote:
> >
> > only wholesales for around 300.oo if retail is 600.00,wholesale is about
> > 50% of any product in this countries retail price.can say different,but
> > have been in retail for 20 years and have seen actual costs of
> > products,and what costs a company to get product has always been 50% of
> > retail,and the bigger the company the smaller there cost is to get
> > product,and if it is imported from china there cost is even lower if
> > they are an american company,no import fees to have to pay.and no taxes
> > on product either.
>
> % markup varies greatly with different products.
>
> Larry

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (mitchell friend) wrote:

> only wholesales for around 300.oo if retail is 600.00,wholesale is about
> 50% of any product in this countries retail price.can say different,but
> have been in retail for 20 years and have seen actual costs of
> products,and what costs a company to get product has always been 50% of
> retail,and the bigger the company the smaller there cost is to get
> product,and if it is imported from china there cost is even lower if
> they are an american company,no import fees to have to pay.and no taxes
> on product either.


Where have you been the last 20 years? Computers had about a 30% markup
20 years ago. Now-a-days its more like 8 to 12%.

Please don't confuse Cell phones with Breadmakers, which may still have
a large markup.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (mitchell friend) wrote:

> % mark up is about the same on any product,it is regulated by laws of
> country and state,which from cost to wholesale is a 1.5 markup. from
> wholesale to retail is up to what the companys think they can get as
> retail price,which includes any employee wages and any other costs they
> figure into it.so if a company lays off a lot of employees,then their
> profits go up,maybe way up.if product is imported then they are already
> making a big profit.


Where are you getting this nonsense from. Please provide a URL.

Likely every product is different depending on laws of supply and demand.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (SprintPCS Tech) wrote:

>
>
> P Reality <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > I have all the evidence that you have omitted, that the I500 is a combo
> > all the featiures of a $250 cell phone, and a $200 Palm device, being
> > inferior to a $200 Sony SJ22, take $250, add $200, add your $50
> > subsidation and you have $500. The i500 sells for $600.
>
> You can't go by that. By your logic, a laptop with the same specs as a
> PC should have the same price, but they don't.

Thats because of the warranty cost, laptops are very fragile.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (mitchell friend) wrote:

> do you work in corparate buying,if so you may be able to see actual cost
> of product,but i can say you dont so you dont see actual costs of
> product,only what they say it cost,what company pays for product is not
> retail,but wholesale,which is at least 50% of retail

It may be that with a quality cotton dress hirt, it is not that for
electronics anymore. You are in a dream worlkd. All margins are razor
thin at retail.

how much do you think it is costing companys to make product in another
country where workers only make 25 cents to maybe a dollar a day or a
month,depending on country,there profit is a hell of a lot more than you
would ever think,and margin is at least 50% since they dont have to pay
high wages,or should say living wages as here in us,only person in a
dream world is you and any one else who thinks otherwise.it is a fact of
a free economy,but it also explains why american workers are losing
there jobs daily and only maybe finding minimum wage jobs to live on,but
most americans are dumb to knowing this,but more people are going to
lose there jobs and america as most pwerfull nation is getting to be a
joke to other countrys,we are losing everything to over seas communist
countrys,us will be taken over with out a shot,rights are already being
taken away,one at a time.good luck with future.

P Reality <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (mitchell friend) wrote:
>
> > do you work in corparate buying,if so you may be able to see actual cost
> > of product,but i can say you dont so you dont see actual costs of
> > product,only what they say it cost,what company pays for product is not
> > retail,but wholesale,which is at least 50% of retail
>
> It may be that with a quality cotton dress hirt, it is not that for
> electronics anymore. You are in a dream worlkd. All margins are razor
> thin at retail.

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[email protected] (mitchell friend) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> do you work in corparate buying,if so you may be able to see actual cost
> of product,but i can say you dont so you dont see actual costs of
> product,only what they say it cost,what company pays for product is not
> retail,but wholesale,which is at least 50% of retail,that is the problem
> with most people,they think retail is what companys pay for the product
> they resell,but companys get products 99% of the time at wholesale
> prices.which is 50% of retail price.like for example a omega seamaster
> watch has retail price of 1,750.00,but whole sale price is only
> 850.00,which is what dealers pay for watch,then they sell it for as
> close to retail as posssible to make as big as possible profit on
> product,also clothes in department stores that sell for 50.00 for a pair
> of pants only cost company maybe 10.00 to buy from manufacturer and that
> would include any import fees.
>

That may be true with 95% of retail and wholesale, but some products,
esp. those that require add ons, don't.

Cel phone service providers sell their phones at a loss in hopes that
the customer signs a contract. In the case of the I500, a $30 loss is
nothing. That phone is marketed and designed for the high-end users
(most people won't shell out that kind of monet for a phone, and most
don't need a Palm device, also). These people who do buy it tend to
have high monthly plan charges, from what I've seen, on average above
$65 (I saw one today on a $150 a month plan for one line). Cost to
maintain a customer is the same no matter what equipment they use, and
is barely affected by the plan their on (with the exception of roaming
plans). So, the person who buys the I500 will most kilely earn the
company more money.

Look at printers. They're sold at a very small profit because the
manufacturer knows you'll have to buy ink, and since most ink cartridges
run $30, you really think it costs HP that much to make it? When I
worked in a office supply superstore (manageing inventory) there was
roughly a 75% profit margin on average on the ink, and for the laser
printers that required a drum, the profit margin was roughly 85% (but
this was 6 years ago).

As for seeing the actual cost, I see what these items cost the company
from the manufacturer. It is required in my position to see these,
therefore we know what high priority items are when accounting for sales
and losses. Which should I spend more time researching? A case (20) of
$10 earbuds, or 5 batteries?

Providers sell the phones to new customers at a huge loss. I don't know
how the others are, but even for existing customers, all the phones now
are sold at a loss, ranging from $20 to $150. They expect to make the
money back in long term customers.


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[email protected] (mitchell friend) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> how much do you think it is costing companys to make product in another
> country where workers only make 25 cents to maybe a dollar a day or a
> month,depending on country,there profit is a hell of a lot more than you
> would ever think,and margin is at least 50% since they dont have to pay
> high wages,or should say living wages as here in us,only person in a
> dream world is you and any one else who thinks otherwise.it is a fact of
> a free economy,but it also explains why american workers are losing
> there jobs daily and only maybe finding minimum wage jobs to live on,but

Yes, that helps the manufacturer with a huge profit margin, and a lot of
them don't pass the savings on to the seller /provider.

I do not know what Samsung's cost is on the I500. They charge SprintPCS
$630 per unit. SPrintPCS is selling them at $600.

I never denied that Samsung was maiking money off the I500, I only said
SprintPCS was selling it at a loss.

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (SprintPCS Tech) wrote:

>
>
> [email protected] (mitchell friend) wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > how much do you think it is costing companys to make product in another
> > country where workers only make 25 cents to maybe a dollar a day or a
> > month,depending on country,there profit is a hell of a lot more than you
> > would ever think,and margin is at least 50% since they dont have to pay
> > high wages,or should say living wages as here in us,only person in a
> > dream world is you and any one else who thinks otherwise.it is a fact of
> > a free economy,but it also explains why american workers are losing
> > there jobs daily and only maybe finding minimum wage jobs to live on,but
>
> Yes, that helps the manufacturer with a huge profit margin, and a lot of
> them don't pass the savings on to the seller /provider.
>
> I do not know what Samsung's cost is on the I500. They charge SprintPCS
> $630 per unit. SPrintPCS is selling them at $600.


Assuming that number is right, and we have no way of knowing whether it
is, it is at variance with your earlier statement that Sprint subsidizes
every phone by at least $50.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (SprintPCS Tech) wrote:

> Providers sell the phones to new customers at a huge loss. I don't know
> how the others are, but even for existing customers, all the phones now
> are sold at a loss, ranging from $20 to $150. They expect to make the
> money back in long term customers.


And batteries, and Car kits, and belt holsters, and car chargers, and
travel chargers, etc, etc.

P Reality <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> > I do not know what Samsung's cost is on the I500. They charge SprintPCS
> > $630 per unit. SPrintPCS is selling them at $600.
>
>
> Assuming that number is right, and we have no way of knowing whether it
> is, it is at variance with your earlier statement that Sprint subsidizes
> every phone by at least $50.

When did I say they subsidize every phone by at least $50?

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"SprintPCS Tech" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> P Reality <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > > I do not know what Samsung's cost is on the I500. They charge
SprintPCS
> > > $630 per unit. SPrintPCS is selling them at $600.
> >
> >
> > Assuming that number is right, and we have no way of knowing whether it
> > is, it is at variance with your earlier statement that Sprint subsidizes
> > every phone by at least $50.
>
> When did I say they subsidize every phone by at least $50?
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com]


"There is roughly a $50 loss on each unit SprintPCS sells,
before any promotions and/or discounts, no matter who they sell it to."

Not every, but average.

"Justin Green" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
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> "SprintPCS Tech" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > P Reality <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > <[email protected]>:
> > > > I do not know what Samsung's cost is on the I500. They charge
> SprintPCS
> > > > $630 per unit. SPrintPCS is selling them at $600.
> > >
> > >
> > > Assuming that number is right, and we have no way of knowing whether it
> > > is, it is at variance with your earlier statement that Sprint subsidizes
> > > every phone by at least $50.
> >
> > When did I say they subsidize every phone by at least $50?
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com]
>
>
> "There is roughly a $50 loss on each unit SprintPCS sells,
> before any promotions and/or discounts, no matter who they sell it to."
>
> Not every, but average.
>
>

So, you two like to twist my words around to suit your own purposes?

But, unlike you two, I am not going to get into a argument over this.

I'll be the mature one.

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