What does OnStar use?

"Steve Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Crossposted into alt.cellular.alltel...
>
> bigdaddyek82 wrote:
>> This may be a surprise to many but it is more than mere speculation.
>> Onstar uses CDMA and AMPS which service is provided by none other than
>> Alltel Communications, "Americas largest wireless network". Onstar
>> provides the equipment ans trademark and Alltel provides the signal,
>> which is exceptional in most areas one may be inclined to take a
>> vehicle.
>
> America's largest wireless network? I doubt it.
>
> One of the largest, to be sure. But let's look at company history:
>
> (a) Alltel started as a company that only serviced landlines in rural and
> a
> few smaller metro areas. Their wireless coverage initially continued that
> trend.
>
> (b) Through mergers and acquisitions, they got bigger. They also swapped
> some
> markets with Verizon. They also got a couple markets as a result of the
> merger that created Verizon; for example, my hometown, which already had
> AirTouch Cellular flipping to Verizon Wireless. Alltel got Cleveland's old
> GTE Mobilnet network.
>
> (c) The biggest deal was their recent purchase of Western Wireless, owner
> of
> the CellularONE brand. They were already reasonably large by then, but
> that
> deal added a decent amount of real estate.
>
> (d) Yet even now, although they *are* now a major player, they don't
> service
> any of the three biggest markets. Nothing in NYC, nothing in Los Angeles,
> nothing in Chicago. Not only do they not serve Los Angeles, they have no
> coverage in California at all. The closest location to my house where I
> can
> use Alltel's network is the Grand Canyon, a few hundred miles away from
> here.
>
> I have a problem believing that a cell carrier not serving *any* part of
> California qualifies as the largest in the country.
>
> I mean, I'm pretty sure Alltel's a decent carrier; I was a customer of
> theirs
> for a while and they treated me well. They're just not "the largest in
> the
> country."
>
>
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They are called ROAMING AGREEMENTS! Alltel may not have towers in NYC, but
they have roaming agreements with those who do.... Cripes. If you don't
like them, quit....

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Patrick Q wrote:

> They are called ROAMING AGREEMENTS! Alltel may not have towers in NYC, but
> they have roaming agreements with those who do.... Cripes. If you don't
> like them, quit....

WTF are you talking about?

(a) I don't have a problem with roaming agreements.

(b) I don't use Alltel. Look at my signature; I live in California. What part
of "Alltel doesn't offer service in California" did you fail to understand?

(b2) Since I don't use Alltel, I can't leave Alltel.

(c) I was just commenting, not complaining. I have no problem with Alltel.
Alltel's marketing has absolutely no effect on which wireless carrier I
choose. Jeez. It's as if I said "Alltel sucks" and now everyone is bashing me

(d) Switch to decaf!

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"Patrick Q" <[email protected]> wrote in newsEGFg.911721$084.872918
@attbi_s22:

>> Steve Sobol, Professional Geek

Wonder if Stevie has Verizon Stock or feels threatened in some way from
Alltel's stupid advertising....??

They all suck. But, I find Alltel seems to suck less than VZW did and they
lie to you a LOT less.





Happiness is watching the Verizon sales girl talking to Japan on your Skype
phone on free wifi or Verizon's Aircard....(c;

Larry wrote:
> "Patrick Q" <[email protected]> wrote in newsEGFg.911721$084.872918
> @attbi_s22:
>
>>> Steve Sobol, Professional Geek
>
> Wonder if Stevie has Verizon Stock or feels threatened in some way from
> Alltel's stupid advertising....??

Hey Larry. Patrick went off on me, not the other way around. As I mentioned,
I have no problem with Alltel. I even liked them back when I was using them.
Not that you need a valid reason to attack me; you'll do it anyhow. You lost
all credibility with me a while back when you insisted I was affiliated with
Mossad and launched into a cute little anti-Semitic rant.

> They all suck. But, I find Alltel seems to suck less than VZW did and they
> lie to you a LOT less.

I don't own any stock; I don't trust the stock market. Is there any
particular reason you're so hellbent on defending Alltel?

All I did was say that the claim is inaccurate. That's all I've ever said,
and apparently you and Patrick are alarmed by this. And a couple other people
too, who want to argue with me that Carrier X's native network includes
roaming areas.

Oh yeah, Larry, and: http://stevesobol.com/goodbye_vzw/

Still want to insist that I'm a Verizon shill? Or do you just want to slam me
because I'm supposedly a member of the Israeli secret police?

I give credit where it's due, and offer negative feedback when it's warranted.

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Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in news:ec7i5u$345$1
@posting.glorb.com:

> a cute little anti-Semitic rant.
>

Anti-semitic (sic)....no...

Anti ISRAELI.....yes...

There IS a difference....but on each side of the Israeli wall it's hard to
tell, what with all the apartheid and genocide Israel is involved with.

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Larry wrote:
> Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in news:ec7i5u$345$1
> @posting.glorb.com:
>
>> a cute little anti-Semitic rant.
>>
>
> Anti-semitic (sic)....no...

sic? That was proper *****ing and usage...

> Anti ISRAELI.....yes...
>
> There IS a difference....but on each side of the Israeli wall it's hard to
> tell, what with all the apartheid and genocide Israel is involved with.

Israeli != Jewish. I thank you for understanding that.

But Larry, you've made slurs against Jews too. And you made a big mistake in
assuming I blindly agree with everything Israel does simply because I'm
Jewish. Should I point people to another part of the rant in question, with
proof that you have a problem with Jews, or shall I stop now?

I mean, who exactly do you think you are? Are you some guy I've known for
years, that you are safe in assuming exactly what I'm thinking? You don't
even know me.

OK. You have a boner for Verizon Wireless. That's your choice. You think VZW
sucks for various reasons. You are certainly welcome to your opinion. But you
have a habit of (sometimes) slamming people who argue with you, in very
unpleasant ways... hardly a way to win an argument. You've done it to me more
than once, and that has led to my decision to ignore most of what you say,
even if I agree with some of it. (And, by the way, I do occasionally agree
with you.)

If you want to debate me, please, by all means, go ahead! Slamming my
religion, or slamming me because you believe I hold certain political
beliefs, isn't necessary. (Especially when you have no way of knowing for
sure that I hold those beliefs.)

One more thing. I've gotten huffy with you, and your reply has been to whine
that I'm insulting you. If this is such a problem, perhaps you should look at
some of the things you've said to me, and stop being a hypocrite.

I've fought with plenty of trolls in the almost 17 years I've been on Usenet.
Unlike most of their posts, I actually find some of your posts informative
and useful. It's too bad so many of them contain so much vitriol and so
little content.

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On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 10:36:09 -0700, Steve Sobol <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Larry wrote:
>> "Patrick Q" <[email protected]> wrote in newsEGFg.911721$084.872918
>> @attbi_s22:
>>
>>>> Steve Sobol, Professional Geek
>>
>> Wonder if Stevie has Verizon Stock or feels threatened in some way from
>> Alltel's stupid advertising....??
>
>Hey Larry. Patrick went off on me, not the other way around. As I mentioned,
>I have no problem with Alltel. I even liked them back when I was using them.
>Not that you need a valid reason to attack me; you'll do it anyhow. You lost
>all credibility with me a while back when you insisted I was affiliated with
>Mossad and launched into a cute little anti-Semitic rant.
>

So everyone reading this thread will know what you're referring to,
here's the original thread:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.c...2026ff12ad42c3

Steve Sobol wrote:
>
> Larry wrote:
> > Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in news:ec7i5u$345$1
> > @posting.glorb.com:
> >
> >> a cute little anti-Semitic rant.
> >>
> >
> > Anti-semitic (sic)....no...
>
> sic? That was proper *****ing and usage...
>
> > Anti ISRAELI.....yes...
> >
> > There IS a difference....but on each side of the Israeli wall it's hard to
> > tell, what with all the apartheid and genocide Israel is involved with.
>
> Israeli != Jewish. I thank you for understanding that.
>
> <snip>

We are having sarcasm, right?

Notan

Notan wrote:

> We are having sarcasm, right?

Not all Israelis are Jews.

Has *everyone* forgotten that Judaism is not the only religion for which
Israel is important?



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Steve Sobol wrote:
>
> Notan wrote:
>
> > We are having sarcasm, right?
>
> Not all Israelis are Jews.

I thought you were saying they ARE!

Notan

Notan wrote:

> I thought you were saying they ARE!

Nope. I think that's what most people think, but I was serious. There are
Christian and Muslim contingents there, although the majority of Israelis are
Jewish, as evidenced by the fact that most of the cities shut down on Friday
evening (at the start of the Jewish Sabbath).


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Steve Sobol wrote:

>> I thought you were saying they ARE!
>
> Nope. I think that's what most people think, but I was serious. There are
> Christian and Muslim contingents there, although the majority of Israelis are
> Jewish, as evidenced by the fact that most of the cities shut down on Friday
> evening (at the start of the Jewish Sabbath).

Incidentally, Larry, now that I have offered to provide proof of what you
said, you seem to have stopped replying to me. It *is* Sunday, so I'll give
you a couple days. I don't necessarily expect you to be online right now.

It's just that, if you're going to attack my credibility, yours had better be
squeaky clean, because if it isn't, I'm going to let everyone know.

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Steve Sobol wrote:
>
> Notan wrote:
>
> > I thought you were saying they ARE!
>
> Nope. I think that's what most people think, but I was serious. There are
> Christian and Muslim contingents there, although the majority of Israelis are
> Jewish, as evidenced by the fact that most of the cities shut down on Friday
> evening (at the start of the Jewish Sabbath).

You're absolutely correct... Most people equate Israel with Judaism and,
with idiots like Mel shooting off his mouth, the fallacy is perpetuated.

Notan

Larry wrote:
> Steve Sobol <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>Some, probably. But Alltel's biggest roaming partnership is with
>>Verizon Wireless, unless the big roaming agreements they signed a few
>>years ago expired and weren't renewed.
>>
>>But the claim is still inaccurate.
>>
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>>Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl **
>>Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED
>>
>>It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living
>>room.
>>
> Did OnStar figure out how to get the signalling tones the cars use through
> the low res crappy CDMA/GSM audio codecs good enough for the decoders to
> reliably open the doors in the country, yet?
>
> I heard the tones got too much intermod distortion from the poorly encoded
> audio. The tones are nearly as high frequency as the sampling rates!

Don't know specifically what they use, but why wouldn't they just use a
data connection rather than trying to force tones over a CDMA voice
connection?

I am also anitsemantac. It means that I don't like Peter Norton. :-)