NEWS: Google and Verizon unveil Web plan

NotMe wrote on [Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:24:24 -0500]:
>
> "Justin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> nospam wrote on [Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:58:42 -0700]:
>>> In article <[email protected]>, John Navas
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >>>If it doesn't them ASK questions.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Ever actually tried that when in a hospital?
>>>> >> It flat doesn't work!
>>>> >
>>>> >Yes I have both before and after the procedures were delivered. I'm
>>>> >65
>>>> >years old and they came up with a bill for a pregnancy test with the
>>>> >results
>>>> >being positive. I can assure you my wife started asking serious
>>>> >questions.
>>>>
>>>> From recent personal experience as a patient in a major hospital:
>>>> * Nobody will tell you what anything costs.
>>>
>>> yes they will, but they don't always have an exact figure.
>>
>> The usual answer is "The usual and customary costs". The end. No numbers.
>>
>>>> * Your bill will be full of codes that even professionals don't
>>>> understand.
>>>
>>> it's not hard to decode them. in fact, there's at least one iphone app
>>> that has them
>>
>> Assuming the correct code has been applied, and you remember what was done
>> a month
>> later when you finally get the EOB and bill.
>
> Some things jump out such as a pregnancy test (result positive) on a 65 y.o.
> male. Others such as a 3X dally cath you damned sure will remember having
> those. Some meds I'm allegoric to (says so on my chart in big red letters)
> any charge for those (that does not include a morgue fee) is clearly in
> error.

You had four vials of blood drawn while in a hospital, 4 weeks later you get a bill
for 5 tests, was one vial used for two tests? How can you know that?

> An aside we have (in self defense) a hard policy that a family member is
> present when ever one of us is in the hospital.

Doesn't help much when one spouse is having a near death experience, you are
likely both going to be not thinking clearly.

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"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> SMS <[email protected]> wrote in news:4c629612$0$22168
> [email protected]:
>
>> The utility promoted the law as "The
>> Taxpayers Right to Vote Act." Probably the most dishonest use of the
>> initiative process in California history.
>>
>
> You're seeing the effects of a whole generation of really slick corporation
> advertising and brainwashing of the public by the comments in this thread
> that are horrified that a utility like internet could be better run for the
> public good than for the corporate profit.
>
> Some of the opposition here, I'm sure from its stance and refusal to
> debate, is planted shills. Sellphone companies have planted shills here
> for years to oppose any kind of anticompany thought. But, many of the
> anti-government posters have true fear planted in their brains by the anti-
> government public education system they spend 20 years listening to....
>
> It's very unfortunate, but many sectors of the population are becoming
> filthy rich at the expense of the masses because of this corporate
> nonsense.
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.energyradio.jo/ English hiphop station in Ammon, Jordan?!
> Larry
>
>

Damn, you got me Larry..... I'm a "shill'...?

Paranoid much??

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> SMS <[email protected]> wrote in news:4c629612$0$22168
> [email protected]:
>
>> The utility promoted the law as "The
>> Taxpayers Right to Vote Act." Probably the most dishonest use of the
>> initiative process in California history.
>>
>
> You're seeing the effects of a whole generation of really slick corporation
> advertising and brainwashing of the public by the comments in this thread
> that are horrified that a utility like internet could be better run for the
> public good than for the corporate profit.
>
> Some of the opposition here, I'm sure from its stance and refusal to
> debate, is planted shills. Sellphone companies have planted shills here
> for years to oppose any kind of anticompany thought. But, many of the
> anti-government posters have true fear planted in their brains by the anti-
> government public education system they spend 20 years listening to....
>
> It's very unfortunate, but many sectors of the population are becoming
> filthy rich at the expense of the masses because of this corporate
> nonsense.
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.energyradio.jo/ English hiphop station in Ammon, Jordan?!
> Larry
>
>

Damn, you got me Larry..... I'm a "shill'...?

Paranoid much??

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> "stevev" <[email protected]> wrote in news:i3t5uo$28cr$1
> @adenine.netfront.net:
>
>> What's wrong with a solution that meets both
>> private and public interests?
>>
>
> Because your "solution" meets only the CORPORATIONS' interests. That's
> exactly what we have, now, and **** us all if we don't bend over and take
> it.
>
> WE don't have to put up with this ****. Corporations didn't invent the
> internet, GOVERNMENT did. WE called it Arpanet. I was on it! We should
> have hung the first sonofa***** that posted the first spam to it. We
> should have hung every one of them for trying to turn something WE paid for
> into their own ****ing private advertising medium. That's what TV was
> licensed for!
>
> WE should recover control of OUR network.....the sooner the better.
>
> The ****ing corporations were allowed to connect THEIR customers to OUR
> network. They were to provide THE CONNECTION, and only the connection.
> But, they had the idea of turning internet into just another ****ing TV
> system loaded up with profit bull****.
>
> Obviously you are too young to remember what the net WAS before the ****ing
> corporations like Verizon hijacked OUR net.
>
> --
> http://www.energyradio.jo/ English hiphop station in Ammon, Jordan?!
> Larry
>
>

Larry, old buddy. From the above, you really don't have a clue, do 'ya?

The major backbones, which actually comprise the "Internet" were built by corporations.

"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> "stevev" <[email protected]> wrote in news:i3t5uo$28cr$1
> @adenine.netfront.net:
>
>> What's wrong with a solution that meets both
>> private and public interests?
>>
>
> Because your "solution" meets only the CORPORATIONS' interests. That's
> exactly what we have, now, and **** us all if we don't bend over and take
> it.
>
> WE don't have to put up with this ****. Corporations didn't invent the
> internet, GOVERNMENT did. WE called it Arpanet. I was on it! We should
> have hung the first sonofa***** that posted the first spam to it. We
> should have hung every one of them for trying to turn something WE paid for
> into their own ****ing private advertising medium. That's what TV was
> licensed for!
>
> WE should recover control of OUR network.....the sooner the better.
>
> The ****ing corporations were allowed to connect THEIR customers to OUR
> network. They were to provide THE CONNECTION, and only the connection.
> But, they had the idea of turning internet into just another ****ing TV
> system loaded up with profit bull****.
>
> Obviously you are too young to remember what the net WAS before the ****ing
> corporations like Verizon hijacked OUR net.
>
> --
> http://www.energyradio.jo/ English hiphop station in Ammon, Jordan?!
> Larry
>
>

Larry, old buddy. From the above, you really don't have a clue, do 'ya?

The major backbones, which actually comprise the "Internet" were built by corporations.

On 8/11/2010 11:30 PM, Justin wrote:
> stevev wrote on [Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:47:15 -0700]:
>>
>> "Larry"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "stevev"<[email protected]> wrote in news:i3t5uo$28cr$1
>>> @adenine.netfront.net:
>>>
>>>> What's wrong with a solution that meets both
>>>> private and public interests?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Because your "solution" meets only the CORPORATIONS' interests. That's
>>> exactly what we have, now, and **** us all if we don't bend over and take
>>> it.
>>>
>>> WE don't have to put up with this ****. Corporations didn't invent the
>>> internet, GOVERNMENT did. WE called it Arpanet. I was on it! We should
>>> have hung the first sonofa***** that posted the first spam to it. We
>>> should have hung every one of them for trying to turn something WE paid
>>> for
>>> into their own ****ing private advertising medium. That's what TV was
>>> licensed for!
>>>
>>> WE should recover control of OUR network.....the sooner the better.
>>>
>>> The ****ing corporations were allowed to connect THEIR customers to OUR
>>> network. They were to provide THE CONNECTION, and only the connection.
>>> But, they had the idea of turning internet into just another ****ing TV
>>> system loaded up with profit bull****.
>>>
>>> Obviously you are too young to remember what the net WAS before the
>>> ****ing
>>> corporations like Verizon hijacked OUR net.
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://www.energyradio.jo/ English hiphop station in Ammon, Jordan?!
>>> Larry
>>>
>>
>> Bull****! YOUR net, as you call it, was and is text based, and it was
>> slow. The improvements that transformed "your net" into "the web" of today
>> were made mostly by individuals and companies, not the government. Many of
>
> Oh, so CERN and the NCSA are companies now?

Actually he is quite right. If you are in "everything should be free"
world you some how imagine that there is this thing called the Internet
that was totally built by the government. And now companies have
connected to it ruining it for people.

The reality is what people currently use as the Internet was all done by
businesses who made the investment to install all of the massive
backbone and network equipment necessary to handle the amount of traffic
moved on it.

On 8/11/2010 11:30 PM, Justin wrote:
> stevev wrote on [Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:47:15 -0700]:
>>
>> "Larry"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "stevev"<[email protected]> wrote in news:i3t5uo$28cr$1
>>> @adenine.netfront.net:
>>>
>>>> What's wrong with a solution that meets both
>>>> private and public interests?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Because your "solution" meets only the CORPORATIONS' interests. That's
>>> exactly what we have, now, and **** us all if we don't bend over and take
>>> it.
>>>
>>> WE don't have to put up with this ****. Corporations didn't invent the
>>> internet, GOVERNMENT did. WE called it Arpanet. I was on it! We should
>>> have hung the first sonofa***** that posted the first spam to it. We
>>> should have hung every one of them for trying to turn something WE paid
>>> for
>>> into their own ****ing private advertising medium. That's what TV was
>>> licensed for!
>>>
>>> WE should recover control of OUR network.....the sooner the better.
>>>
>>> The ****ing corporations were allowed to connect THEIR customers to OUR
>>> network. They were to provide THE CONNECTION, and only the connection.
>>> But, they had the idea of turning internet into just another ****ing TV
>>> system loaded up with profit bull****.
>>>
>>> Obviously you are too young to remember what the net WAS before the
>>> ****ing
>>> corporations like Verizon hijacked OUR net.
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://www.energyradio.jo/ English hiphop station in Ammon, Jordan?!
>>> Larry
>>>
>>
>> Bull****! YOUR net, as you call it, was and is text based, and it was
>> slow. The improvements that transformed "your net" into "the web" of today
>> were made mostly by individuals and companies, not the government. Many of
>
> Oh, so CERN and the NCSA are companies now?

Actually he is quite right. If you are in "everything should be free"
world you some how imagine that there is this thing called the Internet
that was totally built by the government. And now companies have
connected to it ruining it for people.

The reality is what people currently use as the Internet was all done by
businesses who made the investment to install all of the massive
backbone and network equipment necessary to handle the amount of traffic
moved on it.

George wrote on [Thu, 12 Aug 2010 08:14:17 -0400]:
> On 8/11/2010 11:30 PM, Justin wrote:
>> stevev wrote on [Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:47:15 -0700]:
>>>
>>> "Larry"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> "stevev"<[email protected]> wrote in news:i3t5uo$28cr$1
>>>> @adenine.netfront.net:
>>>>
>>>>> What's wrong with a solution that meets both
>>>>> private and public interests?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Because your "solution" meets only the CORPORATIONS' interests. That's
>>>> exactly what we have, now, and **** us all if we don't bend over and take
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> WE don't have to put up with this ****. Corporations didn't invent the
>>>> internet, GOVERNMENT did. WE called it Arpanet. I was on it! We should
>>>> have hung the first sonofa***** that posted the first spam to it. We
>>>> should have hung every one of them for trying to turn something WE paid
>>>> for
>>>> into their own ****ing private advertising medium. That's what TV was
>>>> licensed for!
>>>>
>>>> WE should recover control of OUR network.....the sooner the better.
>>>>
>>>> The ****ing corporations were allowed to connect THEIR customers to OUR
>>>> network. They were to provide THE CONNECTION, and only the connection.
>>>> But, they had the idea of turning internet into just another ****ing TV
>>>> system loaded up with profit bull****.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously you are too young to remember what the net WAS before the
>>>> ****ing
>>>> corporations like Verizon hijacked OUR net.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> http://www.energyradio.jo/ English hiphop station in Ammon, Jordan?!
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bull****! YOUR net, as you call it, was and is text based, and it was
>>> slow. The improvements that transformed "your net" into "the web" of today
>>> were made mostly by individuals and companies, not the government. Many of
>>
>> Oh, so CERN and the NCSA are companies now?
>
> Actually he is quite right. If you are in "everything should be free"
> world you some how imagine that there is this thing called the Internet
> that was totally built by the government. And now companies have
> connected to it ruining it for people.
>
> The reality is what people currently use as the Internet was all done by
> businesses who made the investment to install all of the massive
> backbone and network equipment necessary to handle the amount of traffic
> moved on it.

It depends on what you consider the improvements were, without the WWW
aspect and the browser would the internet be what it is today? No.

George wrote on [Thu, 12 Aug 2010 08:14:17 -0400]:
> On 8/11/2010 11:30 PM, Justin wrote:
>> stevev wrote on [Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:47:15 -0700]:
>>>
>>> "Larry"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> "stevev"<[email protected]> wrote in news:i3t5uo$28cr$1
>>>> @adenine.netfront.net:
>>>>
>>>>> What's wrong with a solution that meets both
>>>>> private and public interests?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Because your "solution" meets only the CORPORATIONS' interests. That's
>>>> exactly what we have, now, and **** us all if we don't bend over and take
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> WE don't have to put up with this ****. Corporations didn't invent the
>>>> internet, GOVERNMENT did. WE called it Arpanet. I was on it! We should
>>>> have hung the first sonofa***** that posted the first spam to it. We
>>>> should have hung every one of them for trying to turn something WE paid
>>>> for
>>>> into their own ****ing private advertising medium. That's what TV was
>>>> licensed for!
>>>>
>>>> WE should recover control of OUR network.....the sooner the better.
>>>>
>>>> The ****ing corporations were allowed to connect THEIR customers to OUR
>>>> network. They were to provide THE CONNECTION, and only the connection.
>>>> But, they had the idea of turning internet into just another ****ing TV
>>>> system loaded up with profit bull****.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously you are too young to remember what the net WAS before the
>>>> ****ing
>>>> corporations like Verizon hijacked OUR net.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> http://www.energyradio.jo/ English hiphop station in Ammon, Jordan?!
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bull****! YOUR net, as you call it, was and is text based, and it was
>>> slow. The improvements that transformed "your net" into "the web" of today
>>> were made mostly by individuals and companies, not the government. Many of
>>
>> Oh, so CERN and the NCSA are companies now?
>
> Actually he is quite right. If you are in "everything should be free"
> world you some how imagine that there is this thing called the Internet
> that was totally built by the government. And now companies have
> connected to it ruining it for people.
>
> The reality is what people currently use as the Internet was all done by
> businesses who made the investment to install all of the massive
> backbone and network equipment necessary to handle the amount of traffic
> moved on it.

It depends on what you consider the improvements were, without the WWW
aspect and the browser would the internet be what it is today? No.

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 23:42:49 -0700, in
<[email protected]>, "Nessnet"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Larry, old buddy. From the above, you really don't have a clue, do 'ya?
>The major backbones, which actually comprise the "Internet" were built by corporations.

Backbones are actually just one type of supporting infrastructure for
the Internet. Many connections traverse no backbone.

--
John

"Assumption is the mother of all screw ups."
[Wethern’s Law of Suspended Judgement]

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 23:42:49 -0700, in
<[email protected]>, "Nessnet"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Larry, old buddy. From the above, you really don't have a clue, do 'ya?
>The major backbones, which actually comprise the "Internet" were built by corporations.

Backbones are actually just one type of supporting infrastructure for
the Internet. Many connections traverse no backbone.

--
John

"Assumption is the mother of all screw ups."
[Wethern’s Law of Suspended Judgement]

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:09:35 -0500, in
<[email protected]>, Paul Miner
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:38:15 -0400, tlvp
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>[Why does no one here retain any more words from a post
>>than fit into the sound-bite they find objectionable?]
>
>Probably just exercising proper netiquette, I guess, as I did in
>snipping the post to which I'm replying.

Correct.

--
John

If the iPhone and iPad are really so impressive,
then why do iFans keep making excuses for them?

On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 22:09:35 -0500, in
<[email protected]>, Paul Miner
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:38:15 -0400, tlvp
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>[Why does no one here retain any more words from a post
>>than fit into the sound-bite they find objectionable?]
>
>Probably just exercising proper netiquette, I guess, as I did in
>snipping the post to which I'm replying.

Correct.

--
John

If the iPhone and iPad are really so impressive,
then why do iFans keep making excuses for them?

Justin wrote:

> It depends on what you consider the improvements were, without the WWW
> aspect and the browser would the internet be what it is today? No.

Without the massive investment in infrastructure by businesses, would it
be what it is today? No. The www and browser are but a tiny bit of
what made the internet into what it is today. The internet is a network
of interconnected privately owned networks. The applications that run
on the internet were mostly created by private companies or by
individuals that created and shared their applications freely with
others (open source software). It started and grew out of a US
government project (DARPA) but it is not a government project today.

jc

Justin wrote:

> It depends on what you consider the improvements were, without the WWW
> aspect and the browser would the internet be what it is today? No.

Without the massive investment in infrastructure by businesses, would it
be what it is today? No. The www and browser are but a tiny bit of
what made the internet into what it is today. The internet is a network
of interconnected privately owned networks. The applications that run
on the internet were mostly created by private companies or by
individuals that created and shared their applications freely with
others (open source software). It started and grew out of a US
government project (DARPA) but it is not a government project today.

jc