Montg. County, MD Gets $2 Per Line TAX

This is great. Get the guy to commit TAX FRAUD........that's all he
needs.

[email protected] (p lane) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> Have you ever considered that you might be able to show a Delaware
> address, (relatives, mail box etc) if verizon charges tax based ion
> your mailing address, you might be able to beat the system--as someone
> else, suggested, if you pay on line, after the address change (assuming
> the above works) you could go to the web page and go "paperless billing"
> advise what you think, or do, and result if you do.


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When people usually say it's not the money it's the principle that
usually means it IS the money and the money is just such a small amount
that they don't want to seem cheap so they say it's the principle.

[email protected] (p lane) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> It's not the $, (although it probably is) it's the principal of
> thing--the govt would (will) tax the air you breath, once they figure
> out how.
>
> 1900mhzcdma <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > Cellular Lawyer wrote:
> > > Well now I'm pissed. Just received my bill from Verizon to get this little
> > > tidbit of news: Montgomery County Council has levied a $2.00 per line, per
> > > month, Tax against Wireless Phone Service. I am a Senior Citizen on a
> > > Grandfathered $14.95 a month Plan. $2.00 per line per month is a 13%
> > > increase!! I have 2 phones one for me and the wife which equates to $4 per
> > > month or $48 per year. No big deal? It is on a fixed income. So if you are
> > > in Montgomery County Maryland, and have Wireless Service with ANY carrier,
> > > you will be receiving this new Tax on your next bill.. Now I know how those
> > > guys at the Boston Tea Party felt. (Where can I find a boat full of tea
> > > anyway? )
> > >
> > > So heres your contact info to "state your feelings" to the Montgomery County
> > > Council.
> > >
> > > Council Main EMAIL address: [email protected]
> > > Main Council Phone Number : 240-777-7900.
> > > Main Web Site for Council :
> > > http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/cs...ncil/index.asp
> > >
> > > This is one "Little Guy Cant Beat City Hall " fight I'd like to see go all
> > > the way!!
> > >
> > >
> > If $4 is way too much for you, I recommend dropping your cell phones.
> >
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

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"Mr T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This is great. Get the guy to commit TAX FRAUD........that's all he
> needs.
>

It is not any more immoral than a $2 tax on each wireless phone number.
This has nothing to do with Montgomery county other than it is income to
them. If they were not the government, it would be extortion. I truly feel
the goverment has its hands in too many private pots. If there is ever a
party to start dumping tea ... please let me know because I will be there
and I will defend myself if they tell me I can't dump the tea! Greedy
bastards.

Tom Veldhouse

"Mr T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This is basically inflation. You're on a plan that's so cheap most
> carriers don't even have one that low anymore. If your budget is so
> fixed that the 4.00 increase is going to make you poor than you should
> give up 1 of the lines or maybe both.
>

It is irrelavent whether he can afford it or not. The point is the
goverment is taking it ... and without a sane reason [posted so far] to show
for it. Simply needing money and levying a tax on unsuspecting wireless
users is simply ludicrous and sanctioned criminality.

Tom Veldhouse

"Mr T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> When people usually say it's not the money it's the principle that
> usually means it IS the money and the money is just such a small amount
> that they don't want to seem cheap so they say it's the principle.

THAT is simply a rationalization as to why you are a wimp and don't fight to
keep your money in your pocket, where it belongs. So far, I have seen no
mention of why the government of Montgomery county can claim rights to that
$2 other than they want it, citing no relavent need (paying the janitor is
not a relavent need to tax a cellphone user).

Tom Veldhouse

>
> [email protected] (p lane) wrote in article
> <[email protected]>:
> > It's not the $, (although it probably is) it's the principal of
> > thing--the govt would (will) tax the air you breath, once they figure
> > out how.
> >
> > 1900mhzcdma <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > <[email protected]>:
> > > Cellular Lawyer wrote:
> > > > Well now I'm pissed. Just received my bill from Verizon to get this
little
> > > > tidbit of news: Montgomery County Council has levied a $2.00 per
line, per
> > > > month, Tax against Wireless Phone Service. I am a Senior Citizen on
a
> > > > Grandfathered $14.95 a month Plan. $2.00 per line per month is a 13%
> > > > increase!! I have 2 phones one for me and the wife which equates to
$4 per
> > > > month or $48 per year. No big deal? It is on a fixed income. So if
you are
> > > > in Montgomery County Maryland, and have Wireless Service with ANY
carrier,
> > > > you will be receiving this new Tax on your next bill.. Now I know
how those
> > > > guys at the Boston Tea Party felt. (Where can I find a boat full of
tea
> > > > anyway? )
> > > >
> > > > So heres your contact info to "state your feelings" to the
Montgomery County
> > > > Council.
> > > >
> > > > Council Main EMAIL address: [email protected]
> > > > Main Council Phone Number : 240-777-7900.
> > > > Main Web Site for Council :
> > > >
http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/cs...ncil/index.asp
> > > >
> > > > This is one "Little Guy Cant Beat City Hall " fight I'd like to see
go all
> > > > the way!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > If $4 is way too much for you, I recommend dropping your cell phones.
> > >
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

A cell phone is NOT a necessity, it a LUXURY. There's WAY too many
people out there that think a cell phone is a necessity. I bet you
complain over every little thing that comes your way. Your talking
about 2.00 like you have a cost freeze on everything you own. Who do
you think you are?? Prices increase and if you don't like that, that's
too bad!!!

> "Lawrence G. Mayka" <[email protected]> wrote in article
> <SR%[email protected]>:
> > "Male Bomb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > So why do you need a cellphone ? you didn't have on 20 years ago....MB
> >
> > 20 years ago the poster might have been living in an adult child's home, or
> > vice-versa. Your "smart" remark is quite foolish. Many services progress from
> > luxury to necessity over time, as society itself changes.
> >
> >
>
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Your anti-governments rants make me want to puke. Costs go up. Do you
think the government has to send you documented information on all the
costs around the area to tell why costs go up? To say that they are
taking the money without a sane reason is B.S. considering you don't
even know what the reason is. For all you know there could be a good
reason. I know that there could also be no good reasons, but for you
just to go into a big anti government crusade is amusing at best.

"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
>
> "Mr T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > This is basically inflation. You're on a plan that's so cheap most
> > carriers don't even have one that low anymore. If your budget is so
> > fixed that the 4.00 increase is going to make you poor than you should
> > give up 1 of the lines or maybe both.
> >
>
> It is irrelavent whether he can afford it or not. The point is the
> goverment is taking it ... and without a sane reason [posted so far] to show
> for it. Simply needing money and levying a tax on unsuspecting wireless
> users is simply ludicrous and sanctioned criminality.
>
> Tom Veldhouse
>
>

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So I'm the wimp, but you try to resort yourself to adolescent name
calling, isn't that ironic. I love money just like anybody else and if
I felt I was being ripped off by anybody I'd mention it, however if it
was that big of a deal to me I'd cancel my service with the people
ripping me off. I wouldn't ***** and moan and roll around on the floor.
People who say everything is based on principle are the people who want
everything handed to them and don't want to work for anything. COSTS
INCREASE!!!!!! What a shame that his cell phone service can't stay at
14.95 a month from now until eternity, get a life.

"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
>
> "Mr T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > When people usually say it's not the money it's the principle that
> > usually means it IS the money and the money is just such a small amount
> > that they don't want to seem cheap so they say it's the principle.
>
> THAT is simply a rationalization as to why you are a wimp and don't fight to
> keep your money in your pocket, where it belongs. So far, I have seen no
> mention of why the government of Montgomery county can claim rights to that
> $2 other than they want it, citing no relavent need (paying the janitor is
> not a relavent need to tax a cellphone user).
>
> Tom Veldhouse
>
> >
> > [email protected] (p lane) wrote in article
> > <[email protected]>:
> > > It's not the $, (although it probably is) it's the principal of
> > > thing--the govt would (will) tax the air you breath, once they figure
> > > out how.
> > >
> > > 1900mhzcdma <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > > <[email protected]>:
> > > > Cellular Lawyer wrote:
> > > > > Well now I'm pissed. Just received my bill from Verizon to get this
> little
> > > > > tidbit of news: Montgomery County Council has levied a $2.00 per
> line, per
> > > > > month, Tax against Wireless Phone Service. I am a Senior Citizen on
> a
> > > > > Grandfathered $14.95 a month Plan. $2.00 per line per month is a 13%
> > > > > increase!! I have 2 phones one for me and the wife which equates to
> $4 per
> > > > > month or $48 per year. No big deal? It is on a fixed income. So if
> you are
> > > > > in Montgomery County Maryland, and have Wireless Service with ANY
> carrier,
> > > > > you will be receiving this new Tax on your next bill.. Now I know
> how those
> > > > > guys at the Boston Tea Party felt. (Where can I find a boat full of
> tea
> > > > > anyway? )
> > > > >
> > > > > So heres your contact info to "state your feelings" to the
> Montgomery County
> > > > > Council.
> > > > >
> > > > > Council Main EMAIL address: [email protected]
> > > > > Main Council Phone Number : 240-777-7900.
> > > > > Main Web Site for Council :
> > > > >
> http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/cs...ncil/index.asp
> > > > >
> > > > > This is one "Little Guy Cant Beat City Hall " fight I'd like to see
> go all
> > > > > the way!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > If $4 is way too much for you, I recommend dropping your cell phones.
> > > >
> > >
> > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
>
>

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"Mr T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Your anti-governments rants make me want to puke. Costs go up. Do you
> think the government has to send you documented information on all the
> costs around the area to tell why costs go up? To say that they are
> taking the money without a sane reason is B.S. considering you don't
> even know what the reason is. For all you know there could be a good
> reason. I know that there could also be no good reasons, but for you
> just to go into a big anti government crusade is amusing at best.
>

I don't have an anti-goverment attitude. I do have an anti-tax attitude in
cases where it is too high. Further, taxes going up is not the same thing
as costs going up. What is the $2 TAX for? I said that I have seen no sane
reason posted as to what that tax is for. Clearly you decided to skip that?
Man get a life and quit kissing the IRS proverbial ass.

Tom Veldhouse

"Mr T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So I'm the wimp, but you try to resort yourself to adolescent name
> calling, isn't that ironic. I love money just like anybody else and if
> I felt I was being ripped off by anybody I'd mention it, however if it
> was that big of a deal to me I'd cancel my service with the people
> ripping me off. I wouldn't ***** and moan and roll around on the floor.
> People who say everything is based on principle are the people who want
> everything handed to them and don't want to work for anything. COSTS
> INCREASE!!!!!! What a shame that his cell phone service can't stay at
> 14.95 a month from now until eternity, get a life.
>

I won't continue to argue this with you beyond this. Who's costs are you
referring to? Montgomery County? What interest do they have in mobile
communications that justifies their tax on it? Surely somebody here can
post this. It is simple, if you are over charged or taxed unfairly, you do
something about it. It has nothing to do with whether you can afford it.
It has nothing to do with Sprint PCS service in and of itself, so cancelling
service is not a satisfactory solution to Montgomery counties over taxation
(apparently, as no justifiable reason has yet been posted).

As far as name calling? I did not call you a name, I described you ... A
WIMP. You don't stand up for yourself in a situation that you should ...
which surely fits the description.

Tom Veldhouse

Montgomery County provides MANY services, more so than most counties.
Someone has to pay for them. Many (most?) entities levy utility user's
taxes on electricity, phones, gas etc. To help compensate, many areas
help low income people by offering subsidized basic phone service and
either subsidized electric rates or low rates if you stay under a
certain threshold. Since many people have given up land lines and have
only a cel phone - these thould be taxed just as other items are.
As you mentioned, Montgomery County IS an upscale area, for the most
part. If you are being priced out of living in an upscale area, maybe
now is the time to move to a lower cost home.

...mike



"Cellular Lawyer" <[email protected]> wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> In response I knew there would be at least one Mr. Smart Ass that would
> state if $2 is
> too much, cancel the phone service. Well, as much as I want too, I will
> refrain from addressing the lack of intelligence that must abound at the
> location that it came from. (But that just "give in" attitude has probably
> gotten him far in life.)
> The many of our senior citizens of today have it very tough.
> Not everyone retired with $300,000 in the bank and 2.5 million retirement
> fund.
> The senior citizens in this country have problems that run deep, and
> finances are one of the
> biggest. And when it comes to safety and security, seniors have a need for a
> telecommunications devices as great if not greater then everyone else.
> Second, I have an out of state address I can use, and may very well do that,
> its just the point of Governmental Taxation burns your ass. When and where
> does it stop? For those that are unaware, Montgomery County Maryland, used
> to be the richest per capita county in the USA. Has dropped some over the
> years, but it's up there. The amount of revenue this has created for the
> Government is going to be astronomical. Too let them get away with this
> without a fight, is setting a helluva precedent. Keep in mind, the
> Governement administrators could care less, they have subsidized and/or
> State funded wireless acounts, so what do they care.
>
>

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"Male Bomb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Oh, a cell phone is now a necessity, we better let the 50% of Americans
> who don't have one know this so they can run out and get one. Food,
> water, shelter are necessities a cell phone is not. MB

So, an item or service being classified as a luxury gives people the right
to screw others? I fail to see your point. The government taxes
EVERYTHING, including the air you breathe. Maybe when you become elderly, a
little twirp like you might be rude to you. Or maybe they'll just pass a
tax on you and send you to the poor house.

Reread my post... MB

[email protected] (Mr T) wrote in article
<[email protected]>:
> A cell phone is NOT a necessity, it a LUXURY. There's WAY too many
> people out there that think a cell phone is a necessity. I bet you
> complain over every little thing that comes your way. Your talking
> about 2.00 like you have a cost freeze on everything you own. Who do
> you think you are?? Prices increase and if you don't like that, that's
> too bad!!!
>
> > "Lawrence G. Mayka" <[email protected]> wrote in article
> > <SR%[email protected]>:
> > > "Male Bomb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > So why do you need a cellphone ? you didn't have on 20 years ago....MB
> > >
> > > 20 years ago the poster might have been living in an adult child's home, or
> > > vice-versa. Your "smart" remark is quite foolish. Many services progress from
> > > luxury to necessity over time, as society itself changes.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]
>
> [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:07:05
-0500, "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Mr T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...

>> This is great. Get the guy to commit TAX FRAUD........that's all he
>> needs.
>
>It is not any more immoral than a $2 tax on each wireless phone number.

Of course it is.

>This has nothing to do with Montgomery county other than it is income to
>them. If they were not the government, it would be extortion.

But they are the government, and it's not extortion.

>I truly feel
>the goverment has its hands in too many private pots.

Then stop *****ing and start getting involved.

>If there is ever a
>party to start dumping tea ... please let me know because I will be there
>and I will defend myself if they tell me I can't dump the tea!

Let us know when you get out.

>Greedy
>bastards.

Lazy
bastards.

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Yep. Worth repeating.

In <[email protected]> on Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:04:37 -0000,
[email protected] (Mr T) wrote:

>When people usually say it's not the money it's the principle that
>usually means it IS the money and the money is just such a small amount
>that they don't want to seem cheap so they say it's the principle.
>
>[email protected] (p lane) wrote in article
><[email protected]>:

>> It's not the $, (although it probably is) it's the principal of
>> thing--the govt would (will) tax the air you breath, once they figure
>> out how.

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Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
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