iPhone outsells ALL smartphones in July

At 05 Sep 2007 18:47:39 -0600 Oxford wrote:

> You haven't watched the Keynote yet. Steve said LONG before the
> $399 price was announced that they would hit the 1,000,000 number
this
> month.


I'm sure he did. And since they were likely to miss the stated goal,
the price drop was probably designed to ensure ol' SJ doesn't have
egg on his face. The question is really how much goodwill did Apple
squander to insure that goal. A $100 drop probably wouldn't faze many,
but $200 is a significant drop for a $500 device!


> Nah, Apple people don't really care about money as much as you seem
> to. They tend to be in the upper 10% of citizens in terms of
education
> and wealth so a $200 loss for a $500 productivity gain during those
> first 60
> days is just a good investment.

People who have money get just as upset getting screwed over as folks
who don't. Often more so. (I know I do!)


>
> > Does Apple/AT&T offer a thirty-day price protection? Many of you
> > might want to take advantage of it.
>
> Not sure about ATT, but Apple obviously does...

No, as you pointed out they have a 10-day protection, as well as a 14-
day
return privilege.


> You haven't watched the Keynote, so you really have no grounds to
> comment. These are the "Christmas" pricing numbers. Love it or
> leave it.


I'll leave it, thanks all the same.

> > The pricing's getting closer- I'll take one to play with at $199!
> > Maybe the "masterplan" will allow that price point in another 60
> > days! ;-)
>
> If you are poor, which it sounds like, $200 might be your entry
> point to a more modern life.

No, it's just that $200 is about my upper limit for buying a pure toy
to play with that adds no value to my life or work. NOT spending
hundreds of dollars on the latest bright shiny object is one of the
reasons I'm not "poor."


> Apple is always gunning for lower prices, so this
> isn't really that shocking of news. Apple is known as the low cost
> leader for a reason.

Again, how may moons orbit the planet you post from? Here on Earth,
Apple is the ONLY MP3 manufacturer with the stones to charge $79 for
a player with no display... The "low price leader" at work!


> Oh, and watch the Keynote! You might learn something!
>
> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.ne...ent/index.html

Maybe when I get a chance to get to a PC. My phone can only play
_standard_ video formats like WMV, AVI, MPG (1, 2 and 4)- not
proprietary pseudo-standards like Quicktime... ;-)

Wall Street must have loved it, however- the NASDAQ is down 0.92%,
while AAPL dropped
5.13%, down 7.40 to 136.70.




--

"I don't need my cell phone to play video games or take pictures
or double as a Walkie-Talkie; I just need it to work. Thanks for
all the bells and whistles, but I could communicate better with
ACTUAL bells and whistles." -Bill Maher 9/25/2003

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In article <[email protected]>, Larry
<[email protected]> wrote:

> George Graves <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > If they'd only included a memory card slot....
> >
> >
>
> Once again, we're looking at a REVENUE machine for Apple and ATT, not a
> convenient device for the users. If it had a memory card slot, you'd
> want to put your pictures/music/ringtones/videos...all that stuff we're
> going to SELL you...on the memory card out of your PC and into the
> iPhone...bypassing the money machine!
>
> That isn't gonna happen. This is a CELLPHONE, read that HOBBLED. The
> hobbling is built right in...so you MUST use the "service", not your PC-
> to-iPhone-direct-without-paying-us-ransom.
>
> It's really too bad it doesn't have PORTS and STORAGE and ACCESS outside
> the cellphone company's money machine. It's a nice unit, but it's
> HOBBLED, as usual for a cellphone device.


That's an ignorant statement -- it is, in fact, one of the things that
has been so typical of the cell industry so far which you might look to
Apple to help change.

I'm not saying Apple is going to make each specific revenue method
disapper, but that what you are complaining about is what was going on
BEFORE the iPhone, and that this might be the opening to make the
complaints about those other companies.
Right now, Apple and the Linux-based units are your only advocates in
doing things differently. Don't bite and snap at them.

"ed" <[email protected]> wrote:

> >> You're obviously confused here. Do you really OWN an iPhone? Without
> >> being connected to the web, which *IS* server based, what can you do
> >> with it beyond what every other phone can do?
> >
> > Yes, I own several,
>
> why the heck do you have *several* iphones?

i can leave one in the car, one at the house. kinda nice.

"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "ed" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >> You're obviously confused here. Do you really OWN an iPhone? Without
>> >> being connected to the web, which *IS* server based, what can you do
>> >> with it beyond what every other phone can do?
>> >
>> > Yes, I own several,
>>
>> why the heck do you have *several* iphones?
>
> i can leave one in the car, one at the house. kinda nice.

that's... interesting... do you forward the calls from one to the other
when you're without one of them?

so you have two, or even more ('several' usually implies more than 2)?

SMS wrote:
> George Graves wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:24:11 -0700, Kurt wrote
>> (in article <[email protected]>):
>>
>>> In article <[email protected]>, "Tinman" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Tinman" wrote:
>>>>> I am hoping they release a 16 GB model for $499. If so I'd buy it
>>>>> and give my 8 GB to my wife. Actually, I might still buy another 8
>>>>> GB if I can get it cheaper than $399 (refurb).
>>>> Or I might get a left-over 4 GB model for the wife. Seems like they
>>>> are being blown out at $299, or less (the 4 GB iPhone has been
>>>> discontinued).
>>> I chose a 4 gig over an 8 because I already have an 80 gig iPod.
>>> Don't need all the added memory, even for photos.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If they'd only included a memory card slot....
>
> 8GB is really sufficient

Says WHO? You say it is sufficient and that's supposed to be
sufficient for anyone but yourself?

Steve

In article <[email protected]>,
Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> Oxford <[email protected]> wrote in news:colalovesmacs-
> [email protected]:
>
> > Mine has 8GB of storage
>
> Woo woo! 8GB! It's like having a ZIPdrive!
>
> I was talking about storage where PROGRAMS and DRIVERS and OPERATING
> stuff goes....not a few MP3 files.
>
> Here's a test so you'll know:
>
> Can it store 25 full length DivX widescreen movies and play them from
> software YOU downloaded and installed from a website?
> No? It's a toy.

Um... whereas a player that *can* hold 25 full length DivX widescreen
movies is a serious productivity device?

> No need to go on. Which DivX player did you install on your iPhone?
> Can I install VLC from videolan.org? It plays everything with no BS.

--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006

In article <[email protected]>,
Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote:

> SMS wrote:
> > George Graves wrote:
> >> On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:24:11 -0700, Kurt wrote
> >> (in article <[email protected]>):
> >>
> >>> In article <[email protected]>, "Tinman" <[email protected]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Tinman" wrote:
> >>>>> I am hoping they release a 16 GB model for $499. If so I'd buy it
> >>>>> and give my 8 GB to my wife. Actually, I might still buy another 8
> >>>>> GB if I can get it cheaper than $399 (refurb).
> >>>> Or I might get a left-over 4 GB model for the wife. Seems like they
> >>>> are being blown out at $299, or less (the 4 GB iPhone has been
> >>>> discontinued).
> >>> I chose a 4 gig over an 8 because I already have an 80 gig iPod.
> >>> Don't need all the added memory, even for photos.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> If they'd only included a memory card slot....
> >
> > 8GB is really sufficient
>
> Says WHO? You say it is sufficient and that's supposed to be
> sufficient for anyone but yourself?

Given the average sale price of an iPod, it's clear the sales tend to
skew toward nanos and shuffles, all of which have 8 GB or less. This
suggests that 8 GB is sufficient for most buyers.

--
"That's George Washington, the first president, of course. The interesting thing
about him is that I read three--three or four books about him last year. Isn't
that interesting?"
- George W. Bush to reporter Kai Diekmann, May 5, 2006

In article <[email protected]>, Todd Allcock
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Maybe when I get a chance to get to a PC. My phone can only play
> _standard_ video formats like WMV, AVI, MPG (1, 2 and 4)- not
> proprietary pseudo-standards like Quicktime... ;-)

I don't want to believe anyone is so STUPID as to believe WMV or AVI
are 'standard' formats!
If those are, QuickTime is much more so, since it's a wrapper (and more
like AVI). WMV isn't standard in any way anywhere -- it's more
proprietary than ANY other kind!

Why do things like "my device comes with the ability to play this
format) often get translated in some people to "this format must be the
standard format for everyone else to use, also."

Steve de Mena wrote:

>> 8GB is really sufficient
>
> Says WHO? You say it is sufficient and that's supposed to be sufficient
> for anyone but yourself?

Cute how you clipped off the rest of the sentence. Nothing like taking
something totally out of context!

"Reality" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > The price drop was only a $100 for half the users, then $200 for the
> > rest, Apple has a 10 day price protection policy, so I really doubt
> > you'll see anyone "upset". Apple customers don't work that way.
>
>
> No, average Apple users aren't all like the TOTAL idiot fanboi you are...

I've never been accused of being a fanboi, I'm just a reality kinda guy.

> YOU - completely blind to reality - lockstep spouting the Apple is everything
> mantra.
> Bottom line is that you were snookered by the Apple flavored KoolAid.

snookered by using a great device 60 days prior to anyone else in the
world? hardly.

> Every post shows just what an idiot you really are.

did you type that in a mirror? you aren't talking about me with a
comment like that.

> The reality is that these people are getting ****ed. They know it and they
> WILL react.

no they won't, they will simply tell their friends to go out and get an
iPhone sooner than later. This moves up iPhone demand by 30% or more.

> Only the ignorant fanbois like YOU are too blind to see reality. Apple is
> scrambling to cover the HYPE they spewed. And the BS is wearing thin.

What? It seems you are upset by a price decrease? Why? Why?

> EDGE - bull****

I use 802.11, much faster than 3G!

> No interchangeable battery - bull****

What? When did that happen? The iPhone battery is fully replaceable, and
costs around $20... big whoop!

> AT&T - REAL bull****

Seems to work quite well, and your problem is?

> No GPS - bull****

You got one RIGHT! Congratulations!

> Closed system - bull****

It's not closed at all, something called the "world wide web" was
developed from the OS inside the iPhone, perhaps you have heard of it?

> There are MANY more, but anyone with a fraction of a brain wouldn't
> buy off on the hype for one second. Flashy interface - not much else.
> Not even a very good phone.

Why so angry? Don't you like quality products?

> Here's the deal - if you (and your ilk) would praise the thing, it's one
> thing.
> Great, you like your phone - more power to 'ya... Opinion noted.
>
> But - to make insane, wild statements like Nokia and Verizon are dead and
> on and on with more of the same total horse**** shows TOTAL ignorance
> on your part and frankly makes anything you say suspect.

But you have to keep in mind Nokia and Verizon have NO ABILITY to
compete against a huge, rich, talented company like Apple. Those
companies will become the UNIVAC, and Sperry of the Cell Phone world.

Those companies LOST THEIR FUTURE today, not much you can do about it at
this point.

They are as good as DEAD.

So sit down, get some popcorn and watch what happened today... You'll
sound foolish until you see the Keynote...

http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.ne...ent/index.html

-

In news:[email protected],
ed <[email protected]> typed:
> "Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "ed" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>> You're obviously confused here. Do you really OWN an iPhone? Without
>>>>> being connected to the web, which *IS* server based, what can you do
>>>>> with it beyond what every other phone can do?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I own several,
>>>
>>> why the heck do you have *several* iphones?
>>
>> i can leave one in the car, one at the house. kinda nice.
>
> that's... interesting... do you forward the calls from one to the other
> when you're without one of them?
>
> so you have two, or even more ('several' usually implies more than 2)?

I would like to know the process to keep all of those iPhones synched.

Could it be with all the other stuff the iPhone does he never has time to
use it as a "phone".

On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Reality wrote:
> EDGE - bull****
> No interchangeable battery - bull****
> AT&T - REAL bull****
> No GPS - bull****
> Closed system - bull****

To this, I can add that underwhelming 320x480 screen resolution. The
screen on my Sony UX series handheld computer is not much larger (4.5"
diagonal) in physical size, but has a respectable 1024x600 resolution.
Thus, I can actually view a web page without having to zoom in and out
the way people do on iPhone. My jaw was dropping watching an iPhone user
continually zooming in to read something, then zooming out to see the
page.

I can't imagine using a 320x480 screen to view photographs on a regular
basis.

Yes, it's cool to have one device that is your phone and your network
access. Safari is undoubtably a better experience than WAP. But how long
are you going to put up with constantly having to zoom in and zoom out
when web surfing?

Now, granted, the UX is a bit heavier (largely due to the hard drive, the
slide over keyboard, and the ports) and costs a lot more than an iPhone;
but the UX is a full-fledged Windows Vista computer with 40GB of storage.
I can download and run any Windows software that I want on it. I don't
have to deal with Safari; I can run IE or Firefox (I even gave up on
Safari on my Mac because it sucks so badly compared to Firefox).

Thanks to Skype, I can even make phone calls on the UX, although I'd want
to do that in WLAN mode and not WWAN... ;-)

Even better, it's unlockable; it comes with an AT&T SIM card and it's
initially locked to AT&T, but a simple phone call to Sony and they'll give
you the unlock code for free. Then you can go to T-Mobile or whomever.

The point isn't that the UX is better than an iPhone; of course it is and
the price reflects that. The point is that the iPhone could have been
MUCH better at its price point, but it isn't.

Another BIG problem with iPhone is the lack of integration with office
tools. This is Blackberry's forte, and you could hear the loud sighs of
relief from RIM when it became clear that iPhone was hopeless in the
market where Blackberry dominates.

iPhone might have been interesting if it had a good mail client. Alas,
iPhone continues the tradition, from mobile phones in general and Apple in
particular, of utter cluelessness on how to do Internet mail (note that
Blackberry does Exchange, not Internet mail) and how to comply with RFCs.

In my opinion, iPhone is destined to become another Newton. There will be
a few more models before they get it right, but eventually it'll get
killed off by better competition (Gphone, maybe even Zphone).

The real competitor will come from within Apple: the new iPod touch, which
is everything the iPhone is except for the phone part. $100 is a hefty
premium to pay to add phone capability and nearly 4mm of thickness.

You can get a nice little GSM quad-band phone with a much less unpleasant
service contract for considerably less than $100.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> But you have to keep in mind Nokia and Verizon have NO ABILITY to
> compete against a huge, rich, talented company like Apple. Those
> companies will become the UNIVAC, and Sperry of the Cell Phone world.
>
> Those companies LOST THEIR FUTURE today, not much you can do about it at
> this point.
>
> They are as good as DEAD.
>

Just the above statement shows how totally blinded you are by either the hype or by
simple clueless stupidity.

Idiotic, wildassed statements that have NO basis in reality.
(The reality is actually the exact opposite).

Do you honestly thing Apple is bigger than VZW??

Apple market cap = 118.93B
VZW market cap = 121.76B
(this is just VZW - NOT VZ as a whole)

YOU are a completer moron for posting such utter bull****...

Verizon will continue to grow steadily, just like it has. The iphone is no more than
a small blip on the radar. All during the iPhone hype, VZW has continued to grow just fine.
And will keep doing so, no matter what fiction you care to delude yourself with.

Come back with your tail between your legs a year from now and see what crap you spewed.

In news:[email protected],
ZnU <[email protected]> typed:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Steve de Mena <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> SMS wrote:
>>> George Graves wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:24:11 -0700, Kurt wrote
>>>> (in article <[email protected]>):
>>>>
>>>>> In article <[email protected]>, "Tinman" <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Tinman" wrote:
>>>>>>> I am hoping they release a 16 GB model for $499. If so I'd buy it
>>>>>>> and give my 8 GB to my wife. Actually, I might still buy another 8
>>>>>>> GB if I can get it cheaper than $399 (refurb).
>>>>>> Or I might get a left-over 4 GB model for the wife. Seems like they
>>>>>> are being blown out at $299, or less (the 4 GB iPhone has been
>>>>>> discontinued).
>>>>> I chose a 4 gig over an 8 because I already have an 80 gig iPod.
>>>>> Don't need all the added memory, even for photos.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If they'd only included a memory card slot....
>>>
>>> 8GB is really sufficient
>>
>> Says WHO? You say it is sufficient and that's supposed to be
>> sufficient for anyone but yourself?
>
> Given the average sale price of an iPod, it's clear the sales tend to
> skew toward nanos and shuffles, all of which have 8 GB or less. This
> suggests that 8 GB is sufficient for most buyers.

That takes care of the music. Now add Pictures, Videos, Memos, Reports,
Spreadsheets, etc.

"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Tinman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > The 8GB iPhone at $399... *****s the END of many a cell handset
>> > maker...
>>
>> I am hoping they release a 16 GB model for $499. If so I'd buy it and
>> give
>> my 8 GB to my wife. Actually, I might still buy another 8 GB if I can get
>> it
>> cheaper than $399 (refurb).
>
> Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing all day... probably before Xmas
> we'll see it... even a 32GB would be fun at $599...
>
> bottom line however is samsungs ability to get yields up... and 16GB
> sdram? is there such a thing... yet? (hum...)

sdram oxford?