Using your laptop on the Sprint PCS Network

In article <[email protected]>,
O/Siris <0siris@sprīntpcs.com> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>> Anyway, they have to know that folks won't want to pay those
>> rates, and turning a blind eye to "non abusive" PC connections
>> which is arbitrary in some way, isn't helping them in the long run.
>> Especially since the 2G WW was $10/month, and then the 3G using
>> the above rates. Is there a network difference in some way
>> between how the 2G's would use data vs the 3G phones?
>
>Greg, every policy carries some level of selectivity.

Indeed.

>Some point=20
>beyond which diminishing returns yields an actual loss.

I agree again. (though I don't know if that's indeed what's
happening here)

>Phillie has been told, repeatedly, there is no "wink wink" to this. =20
>Only reports that certain people have been enforced *so far*. Just=20
>as with the selectivity police exercise when enforcing, for example,=20
>speed limits.
>
>Priorities have been established. I hope they re-examine the policy=20
>once the current priority works, because I think we should have=20
>*some* allowance for tethered data usage via the phones. But=20
>prioritizing hardly equates to "wink wink, nudge nudge." That is=20
>only Phillie's fabrication of it.

On the same note, it does leave open some senses of interpretation.
Anyway, I can understand and see what you're saying.
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In article <[email protected]>,
O/Siris <0siris@sprīntpcs.com> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>>=20
>> Why should Vision (in particular 3G phones as modems)
>> incur more on them than a 2G phone as a modem?
>> Just more people wanting to use it since it's faster?
>>=20
>
>Basically, yeah. The older technology, branded "Wireless Web", is=20
>circuit-switched data. Meaning it is, for all intents and purposes,=20
>an actual call, very much like a voice call.
>
>Vision is a newer technology, packet-switched data. In short, it=20
>doesn't utilize a dedicated connection like a circuit-switched call=20
>does.
>
>Now, I don't have sufficient training in either the theory or the=20
>underlying math to get into the real nitty-gritty. What I *do* have=20
>is a kind of "big picture" view of it. Basically, it requires more=20
>of a back end support structure. It requires a higher technology to=20
>enable it.
>
>It isn't the towers that are stressed, it's the actual data systems=20
>themselves.

I know you're just speaking as the messenger, but I'm curious
about it nonetheless. It seems to me that Vision itself does stressing
not previously possible. I realize that that's difference throughput
and bandwith though than a huge download or multi-hour browser fest
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In article <[email protected]>,
O/Siris <0siris@sprīntpcs.com> wrote:
>In article <rmarkoff-233288.10423318052004
>@news06.east.earthlink.net>, [email protected] says...
>>=20
>> You give them too much credit, when more likely they have no way of=20
>> telling how your Vision is being used.
>>=20
>>=20
>
>That kind of deliberate lying is at the heart of why you've been=20
>labeled a troll, Phill. You've been told, repeatedly, that we *can*=20
>and we *do* track it. Call in as a Vision user, and you can find out=20
>how many KB you've used.

I assume one can find this out online or with a * dial'd number too?
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Greg Comeau) wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> O/Siris <0siris@sprīntpcs.com> wrote:
> >In article <rmarkoff-233288.10423318052004
> >@news06.east.earthlink.net>, [email protected] says...
> >>=20
> >> You give them too much credit, when more likely they have no way of=20
> >> telling how your Vision is being used.
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >
> >That kind of deliberate lying

Rob J Vargas

Disgrace of SprintPCS.

Can never discuss an issue without hurling insults.

Give us a URL saying otherwise.

> In article <[email protected]>,
> O/Siris <[email protected]> wrote:
> >In article <rmarkoff-233288.10423318052004
> >@news06.east.earthlink.net>, [email protected] says...
> >>=20
> >> You give them too much credit, when more likely they have no way of=20
> >> telling how your Vision is being used.
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >
> >That kind of deliberate lying

Not at all, Simple logic. If using a phone as modem is against the TOS
(and we both agree on that), and as you would maintain SprintPCS can
know whenever it used improperly, then there can only be one of two
conclusions since SprintPCS could then automatically bill for such usage.

1. Sprint Can not in fact automatically tell when your phone is being
used as a modem on Vision.

and/or

2. Sprint is actively using its wink-wink-nudge-nudge policy of letting
users use their cell phone as modem.

and if the allow it, why is it in the TOS?

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>=20
> I know you're just speaking as the messenger, but I'm curious
> about it nonetheless. It seems to me that Vision itself does stressing
> not previously possible. I realize that that's difference throughput
> and bandwith though than a huge download or multi-hour browser fest
>=20

I'm confused. I think there's something missing from that last=20
sentence. Or I'm just not seeing it. Even Tier 1 data support techs=20
do little more than Vision account maintenance. Anything that delves=20
deeper into the data infrastructure is handled via support tickets. =20
So I don't have the kind of deep knowledge I desperately want in=20
order to explain our decision RE: tethered data usage.

I think, though, that we're basically saying the same thing. Vision=20
induces more of a load on our web/Internet services infrastructure,=20
and as such, can't handle the kind of usage we started to see when we=20
*did* allow it.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> I assume one can find this out online or with a * dial'd number too?
>=20
>=20

No. We're working on that. That is a shortcoming I've acknowledged=20
previously, though.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>=20
> On the same note, it does leave open some senses of interpretation.
> Anyway, I can understand and see what you're saying.
>=20
Now *that* I agree with.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

"Greg Comeau" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> O/Siris <0siris@sprīntpcs.com> wrote:
>> You've been told, repeatedly, that we *can*=20
>>and we *do* track it. Call in as a Vision user, and you can find out=20
>>how many KB you've used.
>
> I assume one can find this out online or with a * dial'd number too?

Amazingly, no.

--

John Richards

In article <[email protected]>,=20
[email protected] says...
> then there can only be one of two=20
> conclusions since SprintPCS could then automatically bill for such usage.
>=20
> 1. Sprint Can not in fact automatically tell when your phone is being=20
> used as a modem on Vision.
>=20
> and/or
>=20
> 2. Sprint is actively using its wink-wink-nudge-nudge policy of letting=
=20
> users use their cell phone as modem.
>=20

Logical fallacy, Phill, as has been repeatedly pointed out to you,=20
and you now prove you repeatedly ignore.

Look up the word "priority" sometime.

--=20
R=D8=DF
O/Siris
I work for Sprint PCS
I *don't* speak for them

O/Siris wrote:

> Logical fallacy, Phill, as has been repeatedly pointed out to you,
> and you now prove you repeatedly ignore.
>
> Look up the word "priority" sometime.
>

False Dilemma

Definition:

A limited number of options (usually two) is given, while in reality
there are more options. A false dilemma is an illegitimate use of the
"or" operator.
Putting issues or opinions into "black or white" terms is a common
instance of this fallacy.

Proof:
Identify the options given and show (with an example) that
there is an additional option.

"O/Siris" <0siris@sprīntpcs.com> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>> then there can only be one of two
> conclusions since SprintPCS could then automatically bill for such usage.
>>
>> 1. Sprint Can not in fact automatically tell when your phone is being
> used as a modem on Vision.
>>
>> and/or
>>
>> 2. Sprint is actively using its wink-wink-nudge-nudge policy of letting
>> users use their cell phone as modem.
>>
>
>Logical fallacy, Phill, as has been repeatedly pointed out to you,
>and you now prove you repeatedly ignore.
>
>Look up the word "priority" sometime.


Whether one describes the policy as:

A. Sprint does not consider the policing of casual handset modem use to be a high priority,

or

B. Sprint is using a wink-wink-nudge-nudge policy of letting users use their cell phone as modem [for casual use],

the net effect is the same.

It's a matter of semantics.

--

John Richards

O/Siris <0siris@sprīntpcs.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> That kind of deliberate lying is at the heart of why you've been
> labeled a troll, Phill. You've been told, repeatedly, that we *can*
> and we *do* track it. Call in as a Vision user, and you can find out
> how many KB you've used.

While I hate being put into the position of defending our resident
troll, I think his point is that SPCS can't (or doesn't ) know if any
_particular_ data transferred is to a phone or to a tethered device.
So a tethered MB looks the same as a direct-to-phone MB.

Of course, as you said, actual data transfer AMOUNTS are tracked, and
it's hard to imagine anyone racking up 500MB/month on their phone
looking up weather and sports scores!

> 1) Find and download the phone drivers for your particular model.
> 2) Connect the USB cable to your phone and then to the USB port. Your
> computer will recognize new hardware. When it asks for the drivers, browse
> to where you downloaded the phone drivers.
> 3) Set up a new DUN, putting #777 in the phone number field, and leave
> your
> username and password fields empty.
>
> After that, you should be good to go.


Thanks.

Just got the cable and got everything working in 2 minutes. A test download
got me approx. 100 kb/sec., much better than a dial-up. My regular
connection is wi-fi broadband, so I won't be using my phone as a frequent
laptop access. BUT, it is great to know that I have this option now
available.

BTW, I got the MiniSync cable; this is one ingenious gadget.


Bill T

In article <[email protected]>,
O/Siris <0siris@sprīntpcs.com> wrote:
>...
>So I don't have the kind of deep knowledge I desperately want in=20
>order to explain our decision RE: tethered data usage.
>
>I think, though, that we're basically saying the same thing. Vision=20
>induces more of a load on our web/Internet services infrastructure,=20
>and as such, can't handle the kind of usage we started to see when we=20
>*did* allow it.

I was probably being too vague, but yes, that was more along the
lines of my point, that they (it seems) obviously had to upgrade things
for Vision capability, which seems to be the right underlying technology
for PC "cell modems". Anyway, more than is obvious might be going on
behind the scenes technically though. Also, I don't know much about this
either, but I don't know where wi-fi fits in anywhere, but maybe there
is a surprise forthcoming on that in the near future since it seems
Verizon wants to push for that (on the other hand, that still seems
years away to being effective, for a true computing nomad).
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