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  1. #1
    Scooterflex
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    I'm looking to upgrade to a Treo 650 in the next day or two from a Samsung
    i500 and I see from Palm's website that the new version of Palm Desktop for
    the 650, version 4.1.4E is not compatible with the Tungsten C, which I also
    have but I still want to use. Will the Treo 650 work with the version that
    works with the T C. Currently I have 4.1.4 installed and it works fine for
    the T C and the i500 and if it does work with the Treo 650 will I loose any
    functionality?

    What suggestions do you guys have for me to solve this potential dilemma.





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  2. #2
    DavyDE Osa
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    Re: Treo 650 question using Palm Desktop 4.1.4E

    Absolutely, the Treo will work with a previous version of the Palm Desktop
    Manager software. All the usual solid functionalities like Address Book
    (Date Book), Memos, To Do Lists and so on are the same.


    On 12/26/05 5:11 AM, in article
    [email protected], "Scooterflex"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I'm looking to upgrade to a Treo 650 in the next day or two from a Samsung
    > i500 and I see from Palm's website that the new version of Palm Desktop for
    > the 650, version 4.1.4E is not compatible with the Tungsten C, which I also
    > have but I still want to use. Will the Treo 650 work with the version that
    > works with the T C. Currently I have 4.1.4 installed and it works fine for
    > the T C and the i500 and if it does work with the Treo 650 will I loose any
    > functionality?
    >
    > What suggestions do you guys have for me to solve this potential dilemma.
    >
    >





  3. #3
    Jeffrey Kaplan
    Guest

    Re: Treo 650 question using Palm Desktop 4.1.4E

    It is alleged that DavyDE Osa claimed:

    > Absolutely, the Treo will work with a previous version of the Palm Desktop
    > Manager software. All the usual solid functionalities like Address Book
    > (Date Book), Memos, To Do Lists and so on are the same.


    No, the Address Book, Date Book, etc, are not the same. The 650 uses a
    NEW set of databases for the addresses and calendar (at least), with
    more fields. This would be why Palm says that the new Palm Desktop for
    the Treo is incompatible with the T|C.

    I don't know if the Treo 650 will work with the older desktop or not
    (there is a "datamanager" on the handheld to supposedly intercept and
    translate calls to the old database into the new, but it's buggy), but
    don't be surprised if it doesn't.

    --
    Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
    The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol

    "Just got the word - another Lurker got his brain mulched." (Mr.
    Garibaldi, B5 "Grail")



  4. #4
    Scooterflex
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    Re: Treo 650 question using Palm Desktop 4.1.4E

    Thanks for the inut guys but what if I do install the one that came with the
    Treo, would I still be able to sync the T C? Basically I want to keep both
    devices in use... so how do I do that? What version software do I need to
    install?

    "Jeffrey Kaplan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > It is alleged that DavyDE Osa claimed:
    >
    > > Absolutely, the Treo will work with a previous version of the Palm

    Desktop
    > > Manager software. All the usual solid functionalities like Address Book
    > > (Date Book), Memos, To Do Lists and so on are the same.

    >
    > No, the Address Book, Date Book, etc, are not the same. The 650 uses a
    > NEW set of databases for the addresses and calendar (at least), with
    > more fields. This would be why Palm says that the new Palm Desktop for
    > the Treo is incompatible with the T|C.
    >
    > I don't know if the Treo 650 will work with the older desktop or not
    > (there is a "datamanager" on the handheld to supposedly intercept and
    > translate calls to the old database into the new, but it's buggy), but
    > don't be surprised if it doesn't.
    >
    > --
    > Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
    > The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol
    >
    > "Just got the word - another Lurker got his brain mulched." (Mr.
    > Garibaldi, B5 "Grail")






  5. #5

    Re: Treo 650 question using Palm Desktop 4.1.4E

    Hello Scooterflex,

    This is Kevin from Palm. Definitely install the Treo 650's Desktop
    software from the CD.
    It has new features not available on previous Palm devices.
    You can read the set-up guide at the Palm site, if you choose.

    "Start here: setting up your Treo 650"
    http://www.palmone.com/cgi-bin/cso_kbURL.cgi?ID=7628

    In this article, there is a link for "guide to upgrading to a Treo 650"
    that you'll want to click through.

    You can also read up on the new PIM features of the 650:

    "Guide to new PIM features: Palm Desktop for Windows"
    http://www.palmone.com/cgi-bin/cso_kbURL.cgi?ID=12702

    Hope that's of some help.

    Sincerely
    Kevin

    __________________
    - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    Kevin Michaels
    [email protected]
    - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    Check out what's new at
    http://www.palm.com/


    Scooterflex wrote:
    > Thanks for the inut guys but what if I do install the one that came with the
    > Treo, would I still be able to sync the T C? Basically I want to keep both
    > devices in use... so how do I do that? What version software do I need to
    > install?
    >
    > "Jeffrey Kaplan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    > > It is alleged that DavyDE Osa claimed:
    > >
    > > > Absolutely, the Treo will work with a previous version of the Palm

    > Desktop
    > > > Manager software. All the usual solid functionalities like Address Book
    > > > (Date Book), Memos, To Do Lists and so on are the same.

    > >
    > > No, the Address Book, Date Book, etc, are not the same. The 650 uses a
    > > NEW set of databases for the addresses and calendar (at least), with
    > > more fields. This would be why Palm says that the new Palm Desktop for
    > > the Treo is incompatible with the T|C.
    > >
    > > I don't know if the Treo 650 will work with the older desktop or not
    > > (there is a "datamanager" on the handheld to supposedly intercept and
    > > translate calls to the old database into the new, but it's buggy), but
    > > don't be surprised if it doesn't.
    > >
    > > --
    > > Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
    > > The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol
    > >
    > > "Just got the word - another Lurker got his brain mulched." (Mr.
    > > Garibaldi, B5 "Grail")





  6. #6
    Jeffrey Kaplan
    Guest

    Re: Treo 650 question using Palm Desktop 4.1.4E

    It is alleged that Scooterflex claimed:

    > Thanks for the inut guys but what if I do install the one that came with the
    > Treo, would I still be able to sync the T C? Basically I want to keep both


    Palm said that the new desktop is not compatible with the old device,
    and I'm guessing that the new device may not be compatible with the old
    desktop.

    Do you have Outlook at all? If you give the two devices different
    hotsync IDs, or use a hotsync conduit manager, you can sync both to
    Outlook. Your old device should have come with the Pocket Mirror
    Outlook conduits, and the Treo does come with Palm's new Outlook
    conduits

    --
    Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
    The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol

    "We took away every right they had and shoved them into a big, black
    box called PsiCorps. Now look at them. Black uniforms, jack boots,
    giving orders. Some days they scare the hell out of me." (Mr.
    Garibaldi, B5 "A Race Through Dark Places")



  7. #7
    Jeffrey Kaplan
    Guest

    Re: Treo 650 question using Palm Desktop 4.1.4E

    It is alleged that [email protected] claimed:

    > This is Kevin from Palm. Definitely install the Treo 650's Desktop
    > software from the CD.
    > It has new features not available on previous Palm devices.


    But does it work with the older device? He said that he wants to synch
    both the Treo 650 +and+ the Tungsten C to the same desktop software.

    --
    Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
    The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol

    "We took away every right they had and shoved them into a big, black
    box called PsiCorps. Now look at them. Black uniforms, jack boots,
    giving orders. Some days they scare the hell out of me." (Mr.
    Garibaldi, B5 "A Race Through Dark Places")



  8. #8

    Re: Treo 650 question using Palm Desktop 4.1.4E

    The version of Palm Desktop on the Treo 650 CD will recognize older
    Palm devices as well. Indeed, the Tungsten C is not listed as one of
    the compatible devices for 4.1.4E, it has it's own desktop software.
    So, best not to confuse Palm Desktop 4.1.4E with the version that comes
    on the CD.
    4.1.4E does not contain some conduits, nor any bonus software, that is
    included on the CD. 4.1.4E is more intended for those who have lost the
    CD.

    Sincerely
    Kevin




  9. #9
    Jeffrey Kaplan
    Guest

    Re: Treo 650 question using Palm Desktop 4.1.4E

    It is alleged that [email protected] claimed:

    > The version of Palm Desktop on the Treo 650 CD will recognize older
    > Palm devices as well. Indeed, the Tungsten C is not listed as one of
    > the compatible devices for 4.1.4E, it has it's own desktop software.
    > So, best not to confuse Palm Desktop 4.1.4E with the version that comes
    > on the CD.
    > 4.1.4E does not contain some conduits, nor any bonus software, that is
    > included on the CD. 4.1.4E is more intended for those who have lost the
    > CD.


    Then for me, with a Treo 650, there is no purpose to "upgrading" to
    that downloadable version, correct? The only thing I'm using the Palm
    Desktop for is to synchronize photos and videos to my Treo, I'm using
    Outlook for all of my PIM data.

    --
    Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
    The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol

    "How could they do it. They say it's humane, merciful. Do you know
    what it's like to wake up one day and discover your a monster, a
    murderer?" (Bro. Edward, B5 "Passing Through Gethsemane")



  10. #10
    DavyDE Osa
    Guest

    Re: Treo 650 question using Palm Desktop 4.1.4E

    Yes they are the same. I use the desktop manager software version 3 on
    several PC's with my Treo.


    On 12/27/05 1:35 AM, in article
    [email protected], "Jeffrey Kaplan"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > It is alleged that DavyDE Osa claimed:
    >
    >> Absolutely, the Treo will work with a previous version of the Palm Desktop
    >> Manager software. All the usual solid functionalities like Address Book
    >> (Date Book), Memos, To Do Lists and so on are the same.

    >
    > No, the Address Book, Date Book, etc, are not the same. The 650 uses a
    > NEW set of databases for the addresses and calendar (at least), with
    > more fields. This would be why Palm says that the new Palm Desktop for
    > the Treo is incompatible with the T|C.
    >
    > I don't know if the Treo 650 will work with the older desktop or not
    > (there is a "datamanager" on the handheld to supposedly intercept and
    > translate calls to the old database into the new, but it's buggy), but
    > don't be surprised if it doesn't.





  11. #11
    Scooterflex
    Guest

    Re: Treo 650 question using Palm Desktop 4.1.4E

    Thanks... I'll look into it for sure.

    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Hello Scooterflex,
    >
    > This is Kevin from Palm. Definitely install the Treo 650's Desktop
    > software from the CD.
    > It has new features not available on previous Palm devices.
    > You can read the set-up guide at the Palm site, if you choose.
    >
    > "Start here: setting up your Treo 650"
    > http://www.palmone.com/cgi-bin/cso_kbURL.cgi?ID=7628
    >
    > In this article, there is a link for "guide to upgrading to a Treo 650"
    > that you'll want to click through.
    >
    > You can also read up on the new PIM features of the 650:
    >
    > "Guide to new PIM features: Palm Desktop for Windows"
    > http://www.palmone.com/cgi-bin/cso_kbURL.cgi?ID=12702
    >
    > Hope that's of some help.
    >
    > Sincerely
    > Kevin
    >
    > __________________
    > - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    > Kevin Michaels
    > [email protected]
    > - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    > Check out what's new at
    > http://www.palm.com/
    >
    >
    > Scooterflex wrote:
    > > Thanks for the inut guys but what if I do install the one that came with

    the
    > > Treo, would I still be able to sync the T C? Basically I want to keep

    both
    > > devices in use... so how do I do that? What version software do I need

    to
    > > install?
    > >
    > > "Jeffrey Kaplan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]
    > > > It is alleged that DavyDE Osa claimed:
    > > >
    > > > > Absolutely, the Treo will work with a previous version of the Palm

    > > Desktop
    > > > > Manager software. All the usual solid functionalities like Address

    Book
    > > > > (Date Book), Memos, To Do Lists and so on are the same.
    > > >
    > > > No, the Address Book, Date Book, etc, are not the same. The 650 uses

    a
    > > > NEW set of databases for the addresses and calendar (at least), with
    > > > more fields. This would be why Palm says that the new Palm Desktop

    for
    > > > the Treo is incompatible with the T|C.
    > > >
    > > > I don't know if the Treo 650 will work with the older desktop or not
    > > > (there is a "datamanager" on the handheld to supposedly intercept and
    > > > translate calls to the old database into the new, but it's buggy), but
    > > > don't be surprised if it doesn't.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > > Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
    > > > The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol
    > > >
    > > > "Just got the word - another Lurker got his brain mulched." (Mr.
    > > > Garibaldi, B5 "Grail")

    >






  12. #12
    Scooterflex
    Guest

    Re: Treo 650 question using Palm Desktop 4.1.4E

    I shutter at the thought of using Outlook. That's one software I have
    installed and have 'never' used at all.... and don't plan to. But thanks.

    "Jeffrey Kaplan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > It is alleged that Scooterflex claimed:
    >
    > > Thanks for the inut guys but what if I do install the one that came with

    the
    > > Treo, would I still be able to sync the T C? Basically I want to keep

    both
    >
    > Palm said that the new desktop is not compatible with the old device,
    > and I'm guessing that the new device may not be compatible with the old
    > desktop.
    >
    > Do you have Outlook at all? If you give the two devices different
    > hotsync IDs, or use a hotsync conduit manager, you can sync both to
    > Outlook. Your old device should have come with the Pocket Mirror
    > Outlook conduits, and the Treo does come with Palm's new Outlook
    > conduits
    >
    > --
    > Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
    > The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol
    >
    > "We took away every right they had and shoved them into a big, black
    > box called PsiCorps. Now look at them. Black uniforms, jack boots,
    > giving orders. Some days they scare the hell out of me." (Mr.
    > Garibaldi, B5 "A Race Through Dark Places")






  13. #13
    Kwan Yeoh
    Guest

    Re: Treo 650 question using Palm Desktop 4.1.4E

    DavyDE Osa <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> Absolutely, the Treo will work with a previous version of the Palm Desktop
    > >> Manager software. All the usual solid functionalities like Address Book
    > >> (Date Book), Memos, To Do Lists and so on are the same.

    > >
    > > No, the Address Book, Date Book, etc, are not the same. The 650 uses a
    > > NEW set of databases for the addresses and calendar (at least), with
    > > more fields. This would be why Palm says that the new Palm Desktop for
    > > the Treo is incompatible with the T|C.

    >
    > Yes they are the same. I use the desktop manager software version 3 on
    > several PC's with my Treo.


    Funny that it works for you. My understanding is that the older
    DateBook, AddressBook, ToDo & Memo databases had been replaced with the
    newer Calender, Contacts, Tasks & Memos (ie. plural) databases.



    --
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    of this anti-spammation method.



  14. #14
    Tinman
    Guest

    Re: Treo 650 question using Palm Desktop 4.1.4E

    Kwan Yeoh wrote:
    > DavyDE Osa <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>> Absolutely, the Treo will work with a previous version of the Palm
    >>>> Desktop Manager software. All the usual solid functionalities like
    >>>> Address Book (Date Book), Memos, To Do Lists and so on are the
    >>>> same.
    >>>
    >>> No, the Address Book, Date Book, etc, are not the same. The 650
    >>> uses a NEW set of databases for the addresses and calendar (at
    >>> least), with
    >>> more fields. This would be why Palm says that the new Palm Desktop
    >>> for the Treo is incompatible with the T|C.

    >>
    >> Yes they are the same. I use the desktop manager software version 3
    >> on several PC's with my Treo.

    >
    > Funny that it works for you. My understanding is that the older
    > DateBook, AddressBook, ToDo & Memo databases had been replaced with
    > the
    > newer Calender, Contacts, Tasks & Memos (ie. plural) databases.


    I didn't believe him either. Between the new fields in
    Tasks/Contacts/Calendar, the addition of photos for Contacts, and the
    >4K limit on Memos and Notes he is either mistaken or works with a

    subset of the Treo's capabilities (and/or is losing data and just hasn't
    realized it yet).


    --
    Mike





  15. #15
    Jeffrey Kaplan
    Guest

    Re: Treo 650 question using Palm Desktop 4.1.4E

    It is alleged that Scooterflex claimed:

    > I shutter at the thought of using Outlook. That's one software I have
    > installed and have 'never' used at all.... and don't plan to. But thanks.


    Ah well. There are others available, too.

    I use Outlook for this for one reason: Adding address info to
    documents and printing envelopes via Word. If the Palm Desktop started
    keeping the Contacts list in a Windows .wab file that can be read and
    accessed via Word, I'd probably switch back.

    --
    Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
    The from userid is killfiled Send personal mail to gordol

    "Now according to his file, Sheridan's a good tactical thinker, he can
    take an inferior defensive force and turn it into an offensive force
    capable of taking on a better equipped enemy." (Mr. Garibaldi, B5 "A
    Day In The Strife")



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