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- 02-13-2006, 10:15 AM #1Guest
I have been using my cingular service for about a year with both my
laptop and pocketpc. I am using the unlimited $20/MO. medianet plan.
It has worked fine except for a few instances for the last year but now
the last week it hasn't worked. Has cingular changed anything so that
this can no longer be done? If not, what are my other options for
tethering (standard EDGE speed, not the new faster speeds?)
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- 02-13-2006, 08:23 PM #2DecaturTxCowboyGuest
Re: Unable to tether-Anything change?
[email protected] wrote:
> It has worked fine except for a few instances for the last year but now
> the last week it hasn't worked. Has cingular changed anything so that
> this can no longer be done?
Appears so...will post the full scoop later tonight, STR8 from a
Cingular NOC manager.
- 02-14-2006, 03:06 AM #3John NavasGuest
Re: Unable to tether-Anything change?
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In <[email protected]> on Tue, 14 Feb 2006
02:23:13 GMT, DecaturTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> It has worked fine except for a few instances for the last year but now
>> the last week it hasn't worked. Has cingular changed anything so that
>> this can no longer be done?
>
>Appears so...will post the full scoop later tonight, STR8 from a
>Cingular NOC manager.
Still working fine for me here in Northern California using the old MEdia
Works Unlimited package.
--
Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
- 02-14-2006, 08:12 AM #4AustinmanGuest
Re: Unable to tether-Anything change?
> Still working fine for me here in Northern California using the old MEdia
> Works Unlimited package.
>
> --
> Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
> John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
Working for me as of 5 mins. ago.
- 02-14-2006, 12:58 PM #5DecaturTxCowboyGuest
Re: Unable to tether-Anything change?
[email protected] wrote:
> I have been using my cingular service for about a year with both my
> laptop and pocketpc. I am using the unlimited $20/MO. medianet plan.
> It has worked fine except for a few instances for the last year but now
> the last week it hasn't worked. Has cingular changed anything so that
> this can no longer be done?
According to a fellow IT'er with Cingular, they started flagging
accounts last week with over 200 MB per month downloads. The "virtual
password" gets disabled. *Virtual* in that all users use the same
CINGULAR! password to log in, but actual authentication is based on your
phone's profile. They will get the RAS Error 31.
Customer service is having those customers add the unlimited data
connect plan to their voice plan for $59 per month (normally its $79).
Several other local users reported the same password error, but used
less than 10 MB per month. This would appear that tethering can indeed
be monitored and might prevent it from here on out. Just an
observation...no factual information to support it.
My "unlimited MediaNET" got dropped Saturday morning (300 MB last month)
along with some other ones up here. CS said my unlimited MediaNET
(specifically for tethering) was coded differently than the other
MediaNET (non-tethered handset use only) users up here and she got me
back online within minutes...but other users with less than 10 MB per
month had go with a data connect plan.
It looks like Cingular is simply going to force heavy tethering users to
a data plan instead of hitting them with a monster bill for their
prohibited tethering. This avoids the complications of users complaining
a Cingular store (perhaps a franchise) that sold them a data cable with
their phone, but failed to point out is was prohibited.
- 02-14-2006, 08:25 PM #6JerGuest
Re: Unable to tether-Anything change?
DecaturTxCowboy wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> I have been using my cingular service for about a year with both my
>> laptop and pocketpc. I am using the unlimited $20/MO. medianet plan.
>> It has worked fine except for a few instances for the last year but now
>> the last week it hasn't worked. Has cingular changed anything so that
>> this can no longer be done?
>
>
> According to a fellow IT'er with Cingular, they started flagging
> accounts last week with over 200 MB per month downloads. The "virtual
> password" gets disabled. *Virtual* in that all users use the same
> CINGULAR! password to log in, but actual authentication is based on your
> phone's profile. They will get the RAS Error 31.
>
> Customer service is having those customers add the unlimited data
> connect plan to their voice plan for $59 per month (normally its $79).
>
> Several other local users reported the same password error, but used
> less than 10 MB per month. This would appear that tethering can indeed
> be monitored and might prevent it from here on out. Just an
> observation...no factual information to support it.
>
> My "unlimited MediaNET" got dropped Saturday morning (300 MB last month)
> along with some other ones up here. CS said my unlimited MediaNET
> (specifically for tethering) was coded differently than the other
> MediaNET (non-tethered handset use only) users up here and she got me
> back online within minutes...but other users with less than 10 MB per
> month had go with a data connect plan.
>
> It looks like Cingular is simply going to force heavy tethering users to
> a data plan instead of hitting them with a monster bill for their
> prohibited tethering. This avoids the complications of users complaining
> a Cingular store (perhaps a franchise) that sold them a data cable with
> their phone, but failed to point out is was prohibited.
Testament to the age old adage... if you build it, they will come.
--
jer
email reply - I am not a 'ten'
- 02-14-2006, 08:58 PM #7John NavasGuest
Re: Unable to tether-Anything change?
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In <[email protected]> on Tue, 14 Feb 2006
18:58:42 GMT, DecaturTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> I have been using my cingular service for about a year with both my
>> laptop and pocketpc. I am using the unlimited $20/MO. medianet plan.
>> It has worked fine except for a few instances for the last year but now
>> the last week it hasn't worked. Has cingular changed anything so that
>> this can no longer be done?
>
>According to a fellow IT'er with Cingular, they started flagging
>accounts last week with over 200 MB per month downloads. The "virtual
>password" gets disabled.
This sounds to me like Yet Another Internet Legend that I'm not going to take
seriously unless and until I see some credible proof. My own usage has gone
well over 200 MB, and my V551 phone alone can easily exceed that amount --
I'll often burn up more than 25 MB in a day with WAP, Google Local for Mobile,
and Opera Mini for web and email -- after all, that's less than 45 mins of
transfer time.
>*Virtual* in that all users use the same
>CINGULAR! password to log in, but actual authentication is based on your
CINGULAR1
>phone's profile. They will get the RAS Error 31.
Actual authentication is by SIM, not the phone. You can move the SIM from
phone to phone, and the data package goes with it.
--
Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
- 02-14-2006, 08:59 PM #8John NavasGuest
Re: Unable to tether-Anything change?
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In <[email protected]> on Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:25:52 -0600,
Jer <[email protected]> wrote:
>DecaturTxCowboy wrote:
>> It looks like Cingular is simply going to force heavy tethering users to
>> a data plan instead of hitting them with a monster bill for their
>> prohibited tethering. This avoids the complications of users complaining
>> a Cingular store (perhaps a franchise) that sold them a data cable with
>> their phone, but failed to point out is was prohibited.
Maybe; maybe not -- time will tell.
>Testament to the age old adage... if you build it, they will come.
I'm pretty sure that there aren't many people doing this.
--
Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
- 02-14-2006, 09:00 PM #9DecaturTxCowboyGuest
Re: Unable to tether-Anything change?
Jer wrote:
> Testament to the age old adage... if you build it, they will come.
Or....No one is gonna use a cellphone to connect their laptop to the
internet, so we ain't gonna worry about it.
Or...."No one will need more than 640K of RAM in their computer.."
Billy Gates
Or....nevermind, but it was related to a recent duck hunting accident.
- 02-14-2006, 09:04 PM #10DecaturTxCowboyGuest
Re: Unable to tether-Anything change?
John Navas wrote:
> I'm pretty sure that there aren't many people doing this.
"I've seen no credible evidence..."
- 02-14-2006, 09:11 PM #11ScottGuest
Re: Unable to tether-Anything change?
"John Navas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> In <[email protected]> on Tue, 14 Feb 2006
> 18:58:42 GMT, DecaturTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>According to a fellow IT'er with Cingular, they started flagging
>>accounts last week with over 200 MB per month downloads. The "virtual
>>password" gets disabled.
>
> This sounds to me like Yet Another Internet Legend that I'm not going to
> take
> seriously unless and until I see some credible proof.
You saying the words 'credible proof' makes me feel like taking a long
shower.
> My own usage has gone
> well over 200 MB, and my V551 phone alone can easily exceed that amount --
> I'll often burn up more than 25 MB in a day with WAP, Google Local for
> Mobile,
> and Opera Mini for web and email -- after all, that's less than 45 mins of
> transfer time.
I'm sorry- we needs facts here and not your unsubstantiated stories. That
is what you tell everybody that relays their own personal experiences, isn't
it?
Not only do you have a very limited knowledge of the industry, you are also
very hypocritic.
>
>>*Virtual* in that all users use the same
>>CINGULAR! password to log in, but actual authentication is based on your
>
> CINGULAR1
>
>>phone's profile. They will get the RAS Error 31.
>
> Actual authentication is by SIM, not the phone. You can move the SIM from
> phone to phone, and the data package goes with it.
>
And where do you think the phone's profile is stored?
- 02-14-2006, 09:38 PM #12DecaturTxCowboyGuest
Re: Unable to tether-Anything change?
John Navas wrote:
> I'll often burn up more than 25 MB in a day with WAP
Internet virgin comes to mind....
> Actual authentication is by SIM, not the phone. You can move the SIM from
> phone to phone, and the data package goes with it.
OK, wanna git picky, cowboy? The phone does the authentication based on
the profile (data, information, etc.) contained in the SIM, ergo...the
phone does the....oh, nevermind.
- 02-14-2006, 11:02 PM #13John NavasGuest
Re: Unable to tether-Anything change?
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In <[email protected]> on Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:11:49 -0700,
"Scott" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>phone's profile. They will get the RAS Error 31.
>>
>> Actual authentication is by SIM, not the phone. You can move the SIM from
>> phone to phone, and the data package goes with it.
>
>And where do you think the phone's profile is stored?
In the phone. The SIM isn't phone specific. My own SIM works just as well in
my Sony Ericsson GC82 as it does in my Motorola V551. That's because there's
nothing phone-specific in the SIM.
--
Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
- 02-14-2006, 11:16 PM #14John NavasGuest
Re: Unable to tether-Anything change?
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In <[email protected]> on Wed, 15 Feb 2006
03:38:38 GMT, DecaturTxCowboy <[email protected]> wrote:
>John Navas wrote:
>> Actual authentication is by SIM, not the phone. You can move the SIM from
>> phone to phone, and the data package goes with it.
>
>OK, wanna git picky, cowboy? The phone does the authentication based on
>the profile (data, information, etc.) contained in the SIM, ergo...the
>phone does the....oh, nevermind.
Network registration is based on the identity stored in the SIM, called the
International Mobile Subscriber Identity (IMSI). The phone is irrelevant.
Data service authentication is likewise based on the SIM. Information
configured into the phone (userid, password, APN) is the same for all
subscribers.
All the phones does is transmit that information to the network.
--
Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>
- 02-15-2006, 12:10 AM #15DecaturTxCowboyGuest
Re: Unable to tether-Anything change?
Stick your SIM where the sun don't shine and see if you get connected.
Perhaps I should have used the phrase "phone/SIM combo". Would that have
made you happy. In the CONTEXT of what *I* said, I was correct.
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