Why does Sprint sound better than Verizon?

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> "Beavis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>> Take that 256kb file, and e-mail it to a friend twice -- once using a
>> cable modem, and once using Verizon's spiffy new FIOS internet.
>>
>> Which one's going to sound better?
>>
>> If you answered, "They'll both sound the same, because they're
>> encoded at the same bit rate," you'd be right. The situation is the
>> same with 1900MHz vs. 850MHz carriers, both carrying the same stream
>> of ones and zeroes.
>
> You are taking for granted that the 850MHz signal uses the exact same
> encoding/decoding algorithm as the 1900MHz signal. Although that is
> likely to be the case, it isn't necessarily so.
Just a note. Your 850 and 1900 may have completly different variable rate
vocoders. Depends on a few things. When the last upgrade was done. Exactly
what the error rate is at that point in time. How loud the voice is. How far
away you are. What language the vocoder is tuned for. Yep there are
different algorithims for different languages.
Plus, once your signal gets on the SS7, all bets are off.
Bob

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"Beavis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>,
> "Scott" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > Sorry, it ain't happenin'. As Beavis wrote: Digital is digital.
>> > There are 1's and there are 0's. There is no in-between.
>
>>
>> But how the sound is converted to 1's and 0's will impact how it sounds
>> on
>> the other end. Sampling rate could be higher, microphone could be more
>> sensitive or having a wider frequency sensitivity, error correction is
>> better or not as necessary at all due to smaller data loss, data
>> compression
>> rates could be different. All of the above can noticeably affect the
>> quality of a sound file.
>
> All of that is absolutely right. But none of that has anything to do
> with the carrier frequency of the signal being encoded and decoded.
> It's still a stream of ones and zeroes.

But the question is- are you sure that the stream of ones and zeroes are
created the same and identical after decoding?

>
>> Not all digital sound files are created equal. Don't believe it? Rip a
>> song of your choice into an .mp3 at a sampling rate of 48kbps, rip the
>> same
>> song at 256kbps and then compare the sound quality between the two.
>
> Here's a more relevant example:
>
> Take that 256kb file, and e-mail it to a friend twice -- once using a
> cable modem, and once using Verizon's spiffy new FIOS internet.
>
> Which one's going to sound better?
>
> If you answered, "They'll both sound the same, because they're encoded
> at the same bit rate," you'd be right. The situation is the same with
> 1900MHz vs. 850MHz carriers, both carrying the same stream of ones and
> zeroes.

Again- you are assuming that the data stream is going to be identical. If
even one piece of equipment in the chain shows higher tolerances than that
of the other carrier, or if data correction is tighter on one of the
networks, the file used to convert back to analog won't be the same for both
carriers. Nextel recently starting converting their network from a 3:1 to a
6:1 vocoder. The effects on sound quality are quite evident- tone is
sometimes impacted to the point where the caller sounds like they have been
drinking.

Your assumption that the coding and decoding of the signal are identical
with regard to data integrity is not necessarily correct and more likely
inaccurate.

I think that your reply was unduly harsh considering that the
individual that wrote the original post may have other factors that are
affecting his outcome. I, too, agree that Sprint service does sound
better but I do not know what to attribute it to. It is much clearer
compared to friends to family that have Verizon LG, Motorola and
Samsung phones. I have a Sanyo 8300.

Isaiah Beard wrote:
> Mij Adyaw wrote:
> > I have had both Sprint and Verizon on a number of phones and the audio
> > quality on Sprint definitely sounds better. I have other friends that have
> > switched from Verizon to Sprint and can also substantiate this. Why does
> > Sprint sound better? Verizon sounds kind of "tinny" compared to Sprint.
>
> Either a. you're imagining things, and your conviction is convincing
> your friends the imagine the same, or b. there are probably more people
> using the Verizon network, causing a slight degradation in voice quality
> due to heavy call loading.
>
> And let's not forget, people have different preferences for sound, and
> it's rare for two people to hear the same sound in exactly the same way.
> If everyone heard sound in an identical manner, then high end stereos
> wouldn't need to come with equalizers.
>
> > Sprint is so good that you can hear a fly fart.
>
> Unlikely. CDMA is geared to encode and transmit sound that takes on the
> characteristics of human speech. Most everything else, including fly
> farts, would be mostly filtered out.
>
> > They are both CDMA. Does
> > Sprint use a different type of voice encoding?
>
> Both carriers use EVRC.
>
> > Does Verizon have any plans
> > to improve their audio quality to equal that of Sprint?
>
> Do you have any plans to stop making such wildly speculative
> observations and asking these ridiculous questions?
>
>
> --
> E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
> Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.

Thanks for the reply. I have since done some more testing to further
substantiate my claim that Sprint sounds better than Verizon.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I think that your reply was unduly harsh considering that the
> individual that wrote the original post may have other factors that are
> affecting his outcome. I, too, agree that Sprint service does sound
> better but I do not know what to attribute it to. It is much clearer
> compared to friends to family that have Verizon LG, Motorola and
> Samsung phones. I have a Sanyo 8300.
>
> Isaiah Beard wrote:
>> Mij Adyaw wrote:
>> > I have had both Sprint and Verizon on a number of phones and the audio
>> > quality on Sprint definitely sounds better. I have other friends that
>> > have
>> > switched from Verizon to Sprint and can also substantiate this. Why
>> > does
>> > Sprint sound better? Verizon sounds kind of "tinny" compared to Sprint.
>>
>> Either a. you're imagining things, and your conviction is convincing
>> your friends the imagine the same, or b. there are probably more people
>> using the Verizon network, causing a slight degradation in voice quality
>> due to heavy call loading.
>>
>> And let's not forget, people have different preferences for sound, and
>> it's rare for two people to hear the same sound in exactly the same way.
>> If everyone heard sound in an identical manner, then high end stereos
>> wouldn't need to come with equalizers.
>>
>> > Sprint is so good that you can hear a fly fart.
>>
>> Unlikely. CDMA is geared to encode and transmit sound that takes on the
>> characteristics of human speech. Most everything else, including fly
>> farts, would be mostly filtered out.
>>
>> > They are both CDMA. Does
>> > Sprint use a different type of voice encoding?
>>
>> Both carriers use EVRC.
>>
>> > Does Verizon have any plans
>> > to improve their audio quality to equal that of Sprint?
>>
>> Do you have any plans to stop making such wildly speculative
>> observations and asking these ridiculous questions?
>>
>>
>> --
>> E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
>> Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.
>

In alt.cellular.verizon Mij Adyaw <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks for the reply. I have since done some more testing to further
> substantiate my claim that Sprint sounds better than Verizon.
>

I have used Sprint PCS for most of the last 4 years. I switched to Verizon
just a few weeks back using a LG VX8300 and I can say the sound quality is
just as good as it was with Sprint, no better and no worse. I fail to see any
substance to your claim based upon experience or any technological merit.

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"Mij Adyaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the reply. I have since done some more testing to further
> substantiate my claim that Sprint sounds better than Verizon.

How can you test be valid if you have to use different phones for each
service?