iPhone line begins 7 days before launch!

News <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
>
> Oxford wrote:
>
>> check out truphone on your iphone
>
>
> Differs from Skype how? Higher rates?
>

Much higher for US/Canada customers. Unlimited calling out on Skype is
$2.95/month, not per minute, to any phones US/Canada/AK/HI/PR, incl
sellphones. Abuse is considered over 10,000 minutes a month. 166.67 hours.

Truphone seems kinda vague about the "specific inbound phone number" they
include for free. Not sure if it's specific only to your Truphone...??
Skype In is about $23/number/year with unlimited service and you can buy up
to 10 numbers in 10 different places of YOUR, not their, choice to make it
convenient for your callers, no long distance scams. I have a number in
Charleston, SC and London, UK, myself.

Truphone has no multi-user conferencing, VIDEO conferencing, file swapping
utility, text messaging system, webcasting, and a lot of the fluff Skype is
famous for.

As to foreign cost, Skype now has an Unlimited World plan that includes a
fixed rate, 10,000 minute/month, near unlimited plan for $10/month deducted
from your Skype precharge to 34 countries:
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Canada (incl sellphones)
China (incl sellphones)
Chile
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
France
Germany
Greece
Guam
Hong Kong (incl sellphones)
Hungary
Ireland
Italy
Japan
S Korea
Luxembourg
Malaysia
Mexico City
Mexico Guadalajara
Mexico Monterrey
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Puerto Rico
Singapore (incl sellphones)
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Taiwan
United Kingdom
USA (incl sellphones)

Outside the three Mexican covered areas it's 2c/min landlines and 20c/min
sellphones.

All other countries not listed are on a per-minute basis from the big list.

Unlimited just USA and Canada is $2.95/month...10,000 mins = .0295
worthless US cents per minute...about as cheap as free. That's not
$0.0295/min...that's $0.000295/min.

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Dutch wrote:
> Oxford wrote:
>
>> DTC <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Oxford wrote:
>>>> Truephone! so, say goodbye to the monopoly of Cell Phones!!!!
>>> From the Truphone website: "Low cost calls wherever you are"
>>>
>>> Hmmm.....I wonder where this all over WiFi they are imagining is?
>> they, like me, live in more advanced areas... free wifi is everywhere.
>
> Thanks for confirming that you don't live in the real world.
>
> I'm posting this as my wife drives our motorhome on I-90 at 65 MPH. Try
> that with your "wifi is everywhere"...

Alas, free Wi-Fi is shrinking too. They just shut down the Metro-Fi
system in my area last week. Metro-Fi could be a case study in bad
marketing and unrealistic expectations.

If you know where to go, you can still find free Wi-Fi networks at many
restaurants and public areas, but the dream of ubiquitous free Wi-Fi is
dead for now.

At 14 Jul 2008 13:25:57 -0700 SMS wrote:

> Alas, free Wi-Fi is shrinking too. They just shut down the Metro-Fi
> system in my area last week. Metro-Fi could be a case study in bad
> marketing and unrealistic expectations.
>
> If you know where to go, you can still find free Wi-Fi networks at
> many restaurants and public areas, but the dream of ubiquitous free
> Wi-Fi is dead for now.


Unless, of course, you live in Oxford's neighborhood...

SMS wrote:

> Dutch wrote:
>> Oxford wrote:
>>
>>> DTC <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oxford wrote:
>>>>> Truephone! so, say goodbye to the monopoly of Cell Phones!!!!
>>>> From the Truphone website: "Low cost calls wherever you are"
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm.....I wonder where this all over WiFi they are imagining is?
>>> they, like me, live in more advanced areas... free wifi is everywhere.
>>
>> Thanks for confirming that you don't live in the real world.
>>
>> I'm posting this as my wife drives our motorhome on I-90 at 65 MPH. Try
>> that with your "wifi is everywhere"...
>
> Alas, free Wi-Fi is shrinking too. They just shut down the Metro-Fi
> system in my area last week. Metro-Fi could be a case study in bad
> marketing and unrealistic expectations.

I'm not familiar with Metro-Fi. Was it an ad based service?

> If you know where to go, you can still find free Wi-Fi networks at many
> restaurants and public areas, but the dream of ubiquitous free Wi-Fi is
> dead for now.

Other than at campgrounds that offer it for free, I rarely use WiFi
except from my own secured routers, but I have heard some rumblings
among the RV set about there being fewer locations available to us. I
don't know if that's because of locations shutting down, or because
they're going to paid subscription models though.

--
Dutch
Sprint/Motorola RAZR V3m
tethered to PCLinuxOS 2008

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:41:05 -0500, Justin <[email protected]>
wrote:


>So, you agree then. It's not available everywhere. You need to go down
>the block to find some.

Yes, I thought that was the topic, sorry. We do not have
citywide wifi, that is true. And from what I've read it'll be a long
time coming.

DGI

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:47:14 -0400, News <[email protected]> wrote:


>And how well does the elegant handoff work when you keep walking,
>running, or driving on by?

There is no such thing, as the tone of your message indicates
you already knew.

I thought that the topic was the ubiquity of available means
of getting Internet access in congested metropolitan areas, sorry.

DGI

"Oxford" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Justin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >
>> > they, like me, live in more advanced areas... free wifi is
>> > everywhere.
>>
>> You're either a liar or a thief.
>>
>> Free wifi is nowhere near everywhere.
>
> i said: "in more advanced areas"
>
> learn to read.

OK, I can read. Please name the "advanced area" you live in and some
other places you put in that category.

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On 2008-07-14, Todd Allcock <[email protected]> wrote:

>> meant for public use. Thanks for playing.
>
> Agreed. However, it's a numbers game- in a congested area, the odds of
> leaching free WiFi are pretty good,

Just because it IS available doesn't mean the owner of the access point or
router MEANT it to be available. Frankly, including such AP's that are NOT
part of a true public network is, IMHO, dishonest. That was my original point.



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SMS wrote:
> Dutch wrote:
>> Oxford wrote:
>>
>>> DTC <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oxford wrote:
>>>>> Truephone! so, say goodbye to the monopoly of Cell Phones!!!!
>>>> From the Truphone website: "Low cost calls wherever you are"
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm.....I wonder where this all over WiFi they are imagining is?
>>> they, like me, live in more advanced areas... free wifi is everywhere.
>>
>> Thanks for confirming that you don't live in the real world.
>>
>> I'm posting this as my wife drives our motorhome on I-90 at 65 MPH. Try
>> that with your "wifi is everywhere"...
>
> Alas, free Wi-Fi is shrinking too. They just shut down the Metro-Fi
> system in my area last week. Metro-Fi could be a case study in bad
> marketing and unrealistic expectations.
>
> If you know where to go, you can still find free Wi-Fi networks at many
> restaurants and public areas, but the dream of ubiquitous free Wi-Fi is
> dead for now.

But wait, didn't "oxford" claim it was a simple matter to convert
existing analog TV *transmitters* to WiMAX?

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, David G. Imber posted:
> OTOH, when I
> travel to Japan the situation is just the opposite. Although it's the
> second most wired country on earth, wifi is extremely hard to find.

Golly gee, when I pointed out the situation in Japan, the Apple fanboys
insisted that I didn't know what I was talking about. According to the
fanboys, free open Wi-Fi is everywhere in Japan.

The majority of Wi-Fi access points in Japan are WPA-protected. About
half are hidden. Of the non-WPA networks, the majority either have MAC
address filtering or require a login.

Most private residential Wi-Fi access points are hidden, WPA-protected,
*and* MAC address filtered.

> If
> anyone's planning a trip there, plan to visit McDonalds a lot. Not
> every store has it, but many do, even in remote places.

It does not surprise me that the sort of person who thinks that Wi-Fi is
everywhere in Japan eats a lot at McDonalds... ;-)

-- Mark --

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Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Oxford posted:
> use Skype if you want, you have choices.
> http://www.fring.com/download/iphone/

Fring requires a jailbroken iPhone.

The Apple fanboys claim that there isn't any need to jailbreak now that
2.0 is out.

They seem to have a difficult time keeping their story straight!

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:36:11 -0700, Mark Crispin <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Golly gee, when I pointed out the situation in Japan, the Apple fanboys
>insisted that I didn't know what I was talking about. According to the
>fanboys, free open Wi-Fi is everywhere in Japan.

I wish.


>It does not surprise me that the sort of person who thinks that Wi-Fi is
>everywhere in Japan eats a lot at McDonalds... ;-)

Japan is probably the only place I eat that stuff, just to
thank them for the (rather slow but serviceable) wifi.

DGI

"Ness-Net" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > they, like me, live in more advanced areas... free wifi is everywhere.
>
> Hey Oxy - just WHERE is this magical place you refer to?
> You go on and on about "facts' - here's you opportunity to actually present
> one.
>
> So..... WHERE? Put up or shut up.

the most affluent university town in the midwest, and smallest town in
the world that has it's own apple store, that's enough info.

Justin <[email protected]> wrote:

> > I'm not taking sides here, please believe me about that. But I
> > must say that here in NYC, wifi is, if not everywhere, really easy to
> > find. If I need to use my notebook someplace and can't pick up a
> > usable signal, I usually need only walk down the block.
>
> So, you agree then. It's not available everywhere. You need to go down
> the block to find some.
> Even in NYC, a densely packed "advanced area".

don't make me laugh, NYC is a technological backwater, anything on the
east cost is about 8 years behind the west coast when it comes to
technology.

NYC "advanced"... what a hoot!

> This still doesn't talk of the way that it's impossible to roam from one
> Wifi network to another, either.

nah, you can do it with many basestations, you need to set it up.
apple's airport's have had it since 2002 or so.

Mark Crispin <[email protected]> wrote:

> > use Skype if you want, you have choices.
> > http://www.fring.com/download/iphone/
>
> Fring requires a jailbroken iPhone.
>
> The Apple fanboys claim that there isn't any need to jailbreak now that
> 2.0 is out.
>
> They seem to have a difficult time keeping their story straight!

no Mark, it's not a matter of keeping facts straight, it's a matter of
understanding the iPhone world changed last friday (July 11) and now
anyone can develop for the iPhone without having to jailbreak the iphone.

so the "options" have changed and it's going to take you a little while
to understand it.

most all apps that required "jailbraking" are being updated as we speak
and will have the new versions in a few weeks.

please try and keep up!