Sprint renewed my contract without telling me

Scott Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote:
> originated from a credit reporting bureau......NEVER. And the reason why
> this happened is the same reason it will never happen at Sprint- Sprint is
> not going to be the one reporting you to the reporting bureau. The debt
> will be listed by whatever third-party collection agency they sell your
> delinquent account to.

That assumes a lot.

First off, only the owner of the account can report it. The collection agency
can't report it unless they have the express permission of the account owner.

And unless they really do sell it - and I'm thinking the debt would have to
be very old for them to dump it completely - it has to be listed as a debt
to Sprint.


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"Lawrence G. Mayka" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> But the credit agencies explicitly claim that upon a customer complaint,
> they will "investigate" a black mark. You are asserting that this
> "investigation" is essentially phony--that the credit agency will not even
> bother to ask for any evidence beyond the merchant's own self-serving
bogus
> "paperwork."
>

You continually put words into my mouth, and that serves no purpose but your
own. I have not said the investigation is "phony". They investigate
whether there is a legitimate case to be made. They do not take it so far
as to actually hold court and decide who is correct. In cases where you
have obviously never done business with somebody, or you have a letter
stating things differently, that sort of thing might be enough to get an
item removed from your report. But they will not go so far as so sopoena
records and recordings to prove you actually signed a contract ... the
existance of a contract is enough to make a claim legitimate. Legitimate is
not the same as being indisputable [legally speaking]. If credit agencies
did what you are trying to say they would simply no be able to do their job
as there as simply way too many people that have credit scores and just a
small fraction of them in dispute would shut them down completely. They
probably keep track of 200 million personal credit histories and if 0.1%
(just a guess) of them are in dispute at any one time that would be 200,000
cases at any given time. That requires ALOT of resources to investigate
with, and each agency would have to do it.

Tom Veldhouse

"Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> records and recordings to prove you actually signed a contract ... the
> existance of a contract is enough to make a claim legitimate. Legitimate
is

<Sigh> Without the consent of both parties, A CONTRACT DOES NOT EXIST.

There is no point in our debating this any further in this forum. But IMHO,
if credit agencies actually take the same attitude that you exhibit, the
industry clearly needs some heavy government regulation.

"Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> That assumes a lot.
>
> First off, only the owner of the account can report it. The collection
agency
> can't report it unless they have the express permission of the account
owner.

They actually end up owning the balance due on the account- they buy the
right to collect the recievables and become the creditor on the account.

>
> And unless they really do sell it - and I'm thinking the debt would have
to
> be very old for them to dump it completely - it has to be listed as a debt
> to Sprint.
>
Not as old as you would think- I've seen accounts get assigned as quickly as
30 days after account cancellation. I'm sure they all have some formula that
after so many days, they stand an x% chance of collecting the money, along
with a formula that tells them just how long it is cost effective for them
to pursue collection activity themselves. Once the account has reached
their' unacceptable' threshold, they will sell the account to a collection
agency for an agreed upon percentage of the balance due and write any
shortfall off as bad debt. What I'm not clear on is the manner of the sale.
I don't know if it is purchased outright, or if the rights to the account
are signed over and they are paid a percentage of whatever money is
collected by third-party. I would guess it is the second, as this would
seem to be the only way third-party agencies could make money. It would
also mean that Sprint could initially write the entire balance of to bad
debt, and then post bad debt recovery as money is sent to them.

Scott Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote:

> They actually end up owning the balance due on the account- they buy the
> right to collect the recievables and become the creditor on the account.

Absolutely right, in SOME cases.

But not in all.

I am FINALLY collecting on a debt owed me from 1999 (don't ask; it's been
a long, drawn-out process. She's a weasel... but I finally was able to
nail her bank account).

A law firm is handling collections on the judgement I have against the
deadbeat.

They don't own the account. They can't and will not do anything without my
express prior permission.

It's basically the same thing with the collections agency my parents use
for their customers' bad debts. (Although in their case, it's usually a
collections agency instead of a lawyer.)

What you're talking about is called factoring, and it is, in fact, done
quite often; but it would be a mistake to assume it's always done that way.

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"Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Scott Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > They actually end up owning the balance due on the account- they buy the
> > right to collect the recievables and become the creditor on the account.
>
> Absolutely right, in SOME cases.
>
> But not in all.
>
> I am FINALLY collecting on a debt owed me from 1999 (don't ask; it's been
> a long, drawn-out process. She's a weasel... but I finally was able to
> nail her bank account).
>
> A law firm is handling collections on the judgement I have against the
> deadbeat.
>
> They don't own the account. They can't and will not do anything without my
> express prior permission.
>
> It's basically the same thing with the collections agency my parents use
> for their customers' bad debts. (Although in their case, it's usually a
> collections agency instead of a lawyer.)
>
> What you're talking about is called factoring, and it is, in fact, done
> quite often; but it would be a mistake to assume it's always done that
way.


You're absolutely right- I was speaking about Sprint (and most of Corporate
America) specifically. I should have been a little clearer. My humblest
apologies, oh Great One. :-)

Back in July I turned my old N400 in due to dropped calls to Best Buy, I
have a two year service agreement with them. When I activated the new phone
they said I qualified for 8pm unlimited start time as long as I agree to
extend my contract one more year from that date and pay $.01 extra. I agreed
but they told me about it. Come July 2004 I'll be looking into a carrier
that has more technology options such as using the phone as a modem, not
just to connect to their network.

"Steven J Sobol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> tmc <[email protected]> wrote:
> > newsflash, they apprently don't need your permission to renew your
contract
> > any time you change ur plan or add certain features that require renewal
of
> > contract (aka 7pm n&w minutes... 8pm n&w minutes for customers who
> > previously had 9 pm that sorta thing)... i dunno if sprint's the only
one
> > that does this or what... anytime they've renewed my contract i've never
> > consented to it, it doesnt matter i guess.
>
> Sprint will TELL YOU that taking a promotion or doing certain other things
> requires a contract extension. That's industry standard (especially with
the
> promos, that's where the carriers gain value from the deal; they get to
lock
> you in for a year or two). The range of actions that require an extension
is
> bigger with Sprint than with some other carriers, but that's ok, as long
as
> you are informed.
>
> Last time I took a promo, it was the $5 PCS to PCS unlimited option, on
11/
> 28/02. I was TOLD by the Customer Service rep that it would require a one-
> year Advantage Agreement, and I AGREED TO THE CONTRACT EXTENSION.
>
> That is perfectly legal and it is the correct way to do things. A contract
> requires a "meeting of the minds" - both parties must agree to the
contract.
> It should say in the T&C for your SPCS service that doing specific things
will
> require you to agree to an extension.
>
> On the other hand, I moved from Cleveland, Ohio to Apple Valley,
California,
> and switched my wife's service in July.
>
> *I did not accept any new promotions. I did nothing that would normally
extend
> my contract. Yet I called a few months later and just out of sheer dumb
luck,
> asked about my contract end date and suddenly it had changed to July of
'04.
> Even the CSR agreed that that should not have happened!*
>
> If you've been told that they're allowed to extend you any time, for any
> reason, I'm afraid you've been lied to. If you just assumed that, you're
> incorrect. In CERTAIN situations, yes, you will need to extend your
contract
> but under NO circumstances should they ever just do it without telling
you.
>
> (Which is not to say that there aren't idiots working for SPCS that won't,
> but they're supposed to tell you and get your OK first.)
>
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"Peterbilt" <amazon-*****@REMOVETHISeudoramail.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Back in July I turned my old N400 in due to dropped calls to Best Buy, I
> have a two year service agreement with them. When I activated the new
phone
> they said I qualified for 8pm unlimited start time as long as I agree to
> extend my contract one more year from that date and pay $.01 extra. I
agreed
> but they told me about it. Come July 2004 I'll be looking into a carrier
> that has more technology options such as using the phone as a modem, not
> just to connect to their network.
>
There are several phones right now that have that capability ... I don't
remember which new models that can do it, but the Sanyo 5300 isn't one of
them. Keep in mind though that you will be charged an additional data call
fee of $0.39/min, each time for dialing into an isp, or sending a fax.

Just out of curiosity, what are you looking to do, that you can't do with
Vision right now? Fax? Newsgroups?

Bob

I'm an IT consultant and sometimes I might need to dial in to one of my
clients systems via pcAnywhere to correct an issue while I'm on the road.
Plus I would like to be able to send faxes if needed. When I asked Sprint if
they had something like this they wanted to sell me one of their pc cards
for $200 and service for $99 per month. I don't do it often enough to
validate that expense but I have been in a situation before where it would
have came in handy. I think their pc cards only connect to their G3 internet
network if I remember correctly so that wouldn't have worked for me anyway
but come to think of it I could access their systems via the internet but
considering the expense involved it just isn't worth it.

"Bob Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Peterbilt" <amazon-*****@REMOVETHISeudoramail.com> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Back in July I turned my old N400 in due to dropped calls to Best Buy, I
> > have a two year service agreement with them. When I activated the new
> phone
> > they said I qualified for 8pm unlimited start time as long as I agree to
> > extend my contract one more year from that date and pay $.01 extra. I
> agreed
> > but they told me about it. Come July 2004 I'll be looking into a carrier
> > that has more technology options such as using the phone as a modem, not
> > just to connect to their network.
> >
> There are several phones right now that have that capability ... I don't
> remember which new models that can do it, but the Sanyo 5300 isn't one of
> them. Keep in mind though that you will be charged an additional data call
> fee of $0.39/min, each time for dialing into an isp, or sending a fax.
>
> Just out of curiosity, what are you looking to do, that you can't do with
> Vision right now? Fax? Newsgroups?
>
> Bob
>
>